You said "recognize our role", which is a form of justification, Cunt Cunterson.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:33 pmI am NOT justifying it you cunt.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:32 pmYou're justifying the attack. There is NO justification for what those cocksuckers inflicted on our country on that day.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:26 pmDid I say I was? If we don't recognize what our role in it was then we can create a hundred more monsters by accident.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:19 pmAre you justifying the killing of ~3,000 Americans by this cocksucker that became shark food?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:13 pmFirst of all... it's click bait. Secondly the US screwed him over after using him as a puppet and he wanted revenge and used religion as a vehicle. Our 1945-1991 use of the CIA in a proxy for the Cold War and other such shenanigans is a great deal of why a lot of places are pissed off at us. Bin Laden was a wacko... but he had his motives for being that way. The US isn't some perfect utopia that's never done anybody else wrong or something...bmw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:11 pm How are these numbers higher than low single digits in any demographic? 31% of young adults think "his views were good"? What the hell is going on in our educational institutions?
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Have I ever defended January 6, you fucking mental midget?TC Talks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:34 pmWhich? Bin Laden terrorists or Jan 6 insurrectionists?Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:32 pmYou're justifying the attack. There is NO justification for what those cocksuckers inflicted on our country on that day.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:26 pmDid I say I was? If we don't recognize what our role in it was then we can create a hundred more monsters by accident.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:19 pmAre you justifying the killing of ~3,000 Americans by this cocksucker that became shark food?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:13 pmFirst of all... it's click bait. Secondly the US screwed him over after using him as a puppet and he wanted revenge and used religion as a vehicle. Our 1945-1991 use of the CIA in a proxy for the Cold War and other such shenanigans is a great deal of why a lot of places are pissed off at us. Bin Laden was a wacko... but he had his motives for being that way. The US isn't some perfect utopia that's never done anybody else wrong or something...bmw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:11 pm How are these numbers higher than low single digits in any demographic? 31% of young adults think "his views were good"? What the hell is going on in our educational institutions?
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Comparing 9/11 and 1/6 is beyond stupid.
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Re: Bin Laden sympathizers inside the US
Recognize our role = Understand the geopolitical factors of which we were a player that got Bin Laden and his followers whipped up into such a frenzy that they first bombed the basement of the WTC in 1993 and then when that didn't knock it down rammed planes into the towers plus the Pentagon and possibly Washington DC were it not for the folks that stopped them.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:34 pmYou said "recognize our role", which is a form of justification, Cunt Cunterson.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:33 pmI am NOT justifying it you cunt.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:32 pmYou're justifying the attack. There is NO justification for what those cocksuckers inflicted on our country on that day.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:26 pmDid I say I was? If we don't recognize what our role in it was then we can create a hundred more monsters by accident.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:19 pmAre you justifying the killing of ~3,000 Americans by this cocksucker that became shark food?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:13 pmFirst of all... it's click bait. Secondly the US screwed him over after using him as a puppet and he wanted revenge and used religion as a vehicle. Our 1945-1991 use of the CIA in a proxy for the Cold War and other such shenanigans is a great deal of why a lot of places are pissed off at us. Bin Laden was a wacko... but he had his motives for being that way. The US isn't some perfect utopia that's never done anybody else wrong or something...bmw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:11 pm How are these numbers higher than low single digits in any demographic? 31% of young adults think "his views were good"? What the hell is going on in our educational institutions?
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They didn't just wake up one day, decide we weren't Muslim and attack.
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.
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Yet, have you heard BMW ever condem the attacks on the Capitol, killing Americans? I think it's a very fair point.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:36 pmHave I ever defended January 6, you fucking mental midgets?TC Talks wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:34 pmWhich? Bin Laden terrorists or Jan 6 insurrectionists?Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:32 pmYou're justifying the attack. There is NO justification for what those cocksuckers inflicted on our country on that day.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:26 pmDid I say I was? If we don't recognize what our role in it was then we can create a hundred more monsters by accident.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:19 pmAre you justifying the killing of ~3,000 Americans by this cocksucker that became shark food?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:13 pmFirst of all... it's click bait. Secondly the US screwed him over after using him as a puppet and he wanted revenge and used religion as a vehicle. Our 1945-1991 use of the CIA in a proxy for the Cold War and other such shenanigans is a great deal of why a lot of places are pissed off at us. Bin Laden was a wacko... but he had his motives for being that way. The US isn't some perfect utopia that's never done anybody else wrong or something...bmw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:11 pm How are these numbers higher than low single digits in any demographic? 31% of young adults think "his views were good"? What the hell is going on in our educational institutions?
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Comparing 9/11 and 1/6 is beyond stupid.
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RT - here's the problem I have with your response here. You're conflating two entirely separate topics. I'm talking about people literally having a positive view of Bin Laden. You're talking about international policy and whether Biden was motivated by the actions of the US.
Moreover, your argument here is akin to saying, in response to a (hypothetical) poll that 1/3 of young Americans have a positive view of rapists, that Jane Doe got raped because she dressed provocatively.
Moreover, your argument here is akin to saying, in response to a (hypothetical) poll that 1/3 of young Americans have a positive view of rapists, that Jane Doe got raped because she dressed provocatively.
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OK then lets play the game EXACTLY by the terms that poll creates which I don't think are fair given how little people really know about political and world affairs especially if they weren't there:bmw wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:42 pm RT - here's the problem I have with your response here. You're conflating two entirely separate topics. I'm talking about people literally having a positive view of Bin Laden. You're talking about international policy and whether Biden was motivated by the actions of the US.
Moreover, your argument here is akin to saying, in response to a (hypothetical) poll that 1/3 of young Americans have a positive view of rapists, that Jane Doe got raped because she dressed provocatively.
Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:29 pmOK...30% of self identifying Trump voters are on board with a president who operates outside rules and laws... otherwise known as a dictator...According to the survey results, 42% of likely GOP caucusgoers said Trump’s “poisoning the blood” rhetoric makes them more likely to support the former president’s candidacy. The same poll found that 43% of likely Republican caucusgoers are more likely to support him because of his fascistic references to American “vermin.”
The data dovetails with a national Fox News poll that asked respondents: “Some people say things in the U.S. are so far off track that we need a president willing to break some rules and laws to set things right, while others say the president should always follow the rules and laws. Which comes closest to your view?”
The survey found that 30% of self-identified Trump voters — nearly a third — were on board with a president who operates outside “rules and laws.”
This is one of those games we can play ad infinitum. I doubt that the question specifying he was behind 9/11 keeps it at 31% and that's exactly what's wrong with this poll. It preys upon the stupidity of the population.
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.
Re: Bin Laden sympathizers inside the US
Are you suggesting that people who have a positive view of Bin Laden don't believe that he was behind the 9/11 attacks?
btw - here's the story as I see I forgot to link it in the OP. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -zers.html
And this finding from within that poll is arguably even worse:
Only 41% of people age 18-29 have a completely negative view of him.
btw - here's the story as I see I forgot to link it in the OP. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -zers.html
And this finding from within that poll is arguably even worse:
Only 41% of people age 18-29 have a completely negative view of him.
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I'm suggesting this is as useful an exercise as the Jay Leno man on the street bits where they ask who is the Vice President. Most people are just trying to survive and are not as dialed in as anybody here. A lot of the younger ones may not be connecting the dots since they were not of age or even pubescent on 9/11.
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.
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Such as yourself?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:58 pmI'm suggesting this is as useful an exercise as the Jay Leno man on the street bits where they ask who is the Vice President. Most people are just trying to survive and are not as dialed in as anybody here. A lot of the younger ones may not be connecting the dots since they were not of age or even pubescent on 9/11.
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I refuse to believe that Americans are THAT stupid. Hitler's reign was 30-40 years before I was even born but I'm not stupid enough (nor are many others my age - certainly nowhere near 20-30 percent) to believe that Hitler was a good person.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:58 pmI'm suggesting this is as useful an exercise as the Jay Leno man on the street bits where they ask who is the Vice President. Most people are just trying to survive and are not as dialed in as anybody here. A lot of the younger ones may not be connecting the dots since they were not of age or even pubescent on 9/11.
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This is what we are dealing with tonight...Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:58 pmI'm suggesting this is as useful an exercise as the Jay Leno man on the street bits where they ask who is the Vice President. Most people are just trying to survive and are not as dialed in as anybody here. A lot of the younger ones may not be connecting the dots since they were not of age or even pubescent on 9/11.
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Actually I was in 6th Grade... age 11 and watched CNN on the TV in Math class in Ann Arbor as the towers fell. We dropped everything. I'm the one who actually always watched the news every night (Peter Jennings was preferred in my house) and I knew it was real. The other 11 year olds in the class watched people jump out of the windows and laughed thinking it was a movie or a TV show. I stood up and yelled at them that there were people DYING there when they jumped. I've rarely been angrier. The teacher was pretty numb to the whole thing and didn't say much. My 5th grade friend reported to me that they DID NOT watch it and there were no announcements about it. I assume they were thought to be too young. They are 32 now. so your 18-29 year olds were either in the womb or newborns OR as old as 7 when this happened... We see a clear gap between those who were exposed to it (30-49) Vs. those who heard about it in those poll results.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:59 pmSuch as yourself?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:58 pmI'm suggesting this is as useful an exercise as the Jay Leno man on the street bits where they ask who is the Vice President. Most people are just trying to survive and are not as dialed in as anybody here. A lot of the younger ones may not be connecting the dots since they were not of age or even pubescent on 9/11.
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.
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Fair enough - I have NO DOUBT you were paying attention to the news at that age. I can recall starting to pay attention to news and reading the paper when I was 9.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:08 pmActually I was in 6th Grade... age 11 and watched CNN on the TV in Math class in Ann Arbor as the towers fell. We dropped everything. I'm the one who actually always watched the news every night (Peter Jennings was preferred in my house) and I knew it was real. The other 11 year olds in the class watched people jump out of the windows and laughed thinking it was a movie or a TV show. I stood up and yelled at them that there were people DYING there when they jumped. I've rarely been angrier. The teacher was pretty numb to the whole thing and didn't say much. My 5th grade friend reported to me that they DID NOT watch it and there were no announcements about it. I assume they were thought to be too young. They are 32 now. so your 18-29 year olds were either in the womb or newborns OR as old as 7 when this happened... We see a clear gap between those who were exposed to it (30-49) Vs. those who heard about it in those poll results.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:59 pmSuch as yourself?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:58 pmI'm suggesting this is as useful an exercise as the Jay Leno man on the street bits where they ask who is the Vice President. Most people are just trying to survive and are not as dialed in as anybody here. A lot of the younger ones may not be connecting the dots since they were not of age or even pubescent on 9/11.
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So here's my question - how many people born between 1938 and 1949 had a positive view of Hitler in 1967? I'd wager it is nowhere near 31 percent.
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Earliest I can remember is Channel 7 in about 1995. For Peter Jennings it was 1998... Ted Koppel 1994... I don't have a clue why they wouldn't all be around the same time.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:17 pmFair enough - I have NO DOUBT you were paying attention to the news at that age. I can recall starting to pay attention to news and reading the paper when I was 9.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:08 pmActually I was in 6th Grade... age 11 and watched CNN on the TV in Math class in Ann Arbor as the towers fell. We dropped everything. I'm the one who actually always watched the news every night (Peter Jennings was preferred in my house) and I knew it was real. The other 11 year olds in the class watched people jump out of the windows and laughed thinking it was a movie or a TV show. I stood up and yelled at them that there were people DYING there when they jumped. I've rarely been angrier. The teacher was pretty numb to the whole thing and didn't say much. My 5th grade friend reported to me that they DID NOT watch it and there were no announcements about it. I assume they were thought to be too young. They are 32 now. so your 18-29 year olds were either in the womb or newborns OR as old as 7 when this happened... We see a clear gap between those who were exposed to it (30-49) Vs. those who heard about it in those poll results.Matt wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:59 pmSuch as yourself?Rate This wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:58 pmI'm suggesting this is as useful an exercise as the Jay Leno man on the street bits where they ask who is the Vice President. Most people are just trying to survive and are not as dialed in as anybody here. A lot of the younger ones may not be connecting the dots since they were not of age or even pubescent on 9/11.
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.