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Friday Night Massacre at USPS
Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
UPS doesn't want to deal with First Class mail. No one does, yet the service needs to exist.
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Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
Residential First Class mail should be delivered less frequently.
One week your zip code gets mail M-W-Sa, the next week it's delivered Tu-Th-F. Want it more frequently? Pay for that service.
Delivery to commercial addresses stays the same.
One week your zip code gets mail M-W-Sa, the next week it's delivered Tu-Th-F. Want it more frequently? Pay for that service.
Delivery to commercial addresses stays the same.
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Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
I thought of this idea years ago, with a slightly different twist. It stays consistent week-to week, the carriers can cover two areas.Howard Jones wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:05 pm Residential First Class mail should be delivered less frequently.
One week your zip code gets mail M-W-Sa, the next week it's delivered Tu-Th-F. Want it more frequently? Pay for that service.
Delivery to commercial addresses stays the same.
Right now the post office is flooded with Amazon packages. The are making separate runs just for package drop offs.
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Exodus 20:13 ~ “You shall not murder."
Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
Wahoo... just double down on making it a business why don’t you? It’s supposed to be a fucking department...Howard Jones wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:05 pm Residential First Class mail should be delivered less frequently.
One week your zip code gets mail M-W-Sa, the next week it's delivered Tu-Th-F. Want it more frequently? Pay for that service.
Delivery to commercial addresses stays the same.
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Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
That's a bit of an overreaction. If we expanded your position, why should we have to pay at all for mail?
Psalm 139:13 ~ For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
Jeremiah 1:5 ~ "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
Exodus 20:13 ~ “You shall not murder."
Jeremiah 1:5 ~ "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
Exodus 20:13 ~ “You shall not murder."
Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
Well, you and a million other folks. Don't know why something like this hasn't been implemented yet. Well, yes I do.... They just keep giving more and more money instead of actually forcing the USPS to be more efficient. We'll all be paying for retirement benefits to the bloated organization for decades and decades on top of the interest on the borrowed funds to keep it operating at a loss for decades. All this extra traffic from Amazon should have them drowning in extra cash... Why aren't they??? They should be more efficient than UPS or a dedicated Amazon delivery truck to get a package to your house, yet they can't do it nearly as good. Why not??audiophile wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:11 pmI thought of this idea years ago, with a slightly different twist. It stays consistent week-to week, the carriers can cover two areas.Howard Jones wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:05 pm Residential First Class mail should be delivered less frequently.
One week your zip code gets mail M-W-Sa, the next week it's delivered Tu-Th-F. Want it more frequently? Pay for that service.
Delivery to commercial addresses stays the same.
Right now the post office is flooded with Amazon packages. The are making separate runs just for package drop offs.
Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
They would actually be in the black without that pension law. So effectively they ARE drowning in cash that’s immediately going right back out the door for pensions. So the service is fine, it’s the law that’s fucked up.km1125 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:27 amWell, you and a million other folks. Don't know why something like this hasn't been implemented yet. Well, yes I do.... They just keep giving more and more money instead of actually forcing the USPS to be more efficient. We'll all be paying for retirement benefits to the bloated organization for decades and decades on top of the interest on the borrowed funds to keep it operating at a loss for decades. All this extra traffic from Amazon should have them drowning in extra cash... Why aren't they??? They should be more efficient than UPS or a dedicated Amazon delivery truck to get a package to your house, yet they can't do it nearly as good. Why not??audiophile wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:11 pmI thought of this idea years ago, with a slightly different twist. It stays consistent week-to week, the carriers can cover two areas.Howard Jones wrote: ↑Sun Aug 09, 2020 4:05 pm Residential First Class mail should be delivered less frequently.
One week your zip code gets mail M-W-Sa, the next week it's delivered Tu-Th-F. Want it more frequently? Pay for that service.
Delivery to commercial addresses stays the same.
Right now the post office is flooded with Amazon packages. The are making separate runs just for package drop offs.
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.
The Resistance begins now.
This is a pro-Democracy account.
Dear America… you were warned.
The Resistance begins now.
This is a pro-Democracy account.
Dear America… you were warned.
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Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
Can you show that minus pension they are at a profit?
Psalm 139:13 ~ For you formed my inward parts; you knitted me together in my mother's womb.
Jeremiah 1:5 ~ "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
Exodus 20:13 ~ “You shall not murder."
Jeremiah 1:5 ~ "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you;
Exodus 20:13 ~ “You shall not murder."
Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
EVERYONE who offers a pension - government or not - should be required to fully fund it, or the folks who are the beneficiaries should be required to sign off with an acknowledgement that "it could be eliminated or vaporize at any time in the future". It would force current administrations to resolve the burdens that these types of programs create. It would also force those beneficiaries to take a more realistic calculation of their retirement planning and opt for something more under their own control.
It's not the law that's fucked up, it's the crazy benefit packages that were offered for mostly entry-level jobs.
Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
So a law REQUIRING 75 years of vested pensions isn’t fucked up? That’s the problem... not the benefit packages. Again... they would be PROFITABLE if not for this fuckery passed in 2006.km1125 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:26 amEVERYONE who offers a pension - government or not - should be required to fully fund it, or the folks who are the beneficiaries should be required to sign off with an acknowledgement that "it could be eliminated or vaporize at any time in the future". It would force current administrations to resolve the burdens that these types of programs create. It would also force those beneficiaries to take a more realistic calculation of their retirement planning and opt for something more under their own control.
It's not the law that's fucked up, it's the crazy benefit packages that were offered for mostly entry-level jobs.
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.
The Resistance begins now.
This is a pro-Democracy account.
Dear America… you were warned.
The Resistance begins now.
This is a pro-Democracy account.
Dear America… you were warned.
Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
GEEZ!! Maybe you need to do a bit of reading and understand this is not a situation you understand.
Here's a primer:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/202 ... dc20a047f5
And here's some more (didn't take a lot of 'googling' to get these, either!):
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Still, as we noted in 2011, the Postal Service’s problems are greater than the retirement rules.
The service’s own fact sheet says a House bill to scrap the pre-funding requirement "will not reduce our underlying liability for retiree health benefits, nor improve our cash flow or long-term financial position." COVID-19 has worsened that position further in recent weeks.
"The USPS is forecast to lose tens of billions of dollars over the next decade," the Trump administration’s 2018 report said. "Standalone proposals, such as forgiving the prefunding of post-employment benefits or renegotiating labor contracts, will be insufficient."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... us-postal/
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Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
I could be not quite right with what I'm about to say.km1125 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:27 am .... All this extra traffic from Amazon should have them drowning in extra cash... Why aren't they??? They should be more efficient than UPS or a dedicated Amazon delivery truck to get a package to your house, yet they can't do it nearly as good. Why not?? ....
Isn't there something about the USPS not being able to raise rates to where they could make a profit?
I thought I've read before they take a loss on bulk mail and "external" package delivery, In other words, being the last mile for Amazon and possibly others.
It would seem from a business sense to set the rates to where you would be making a profit.
If bulk mailing and Amazon don't like the new price, they are free to explore other options to get their materials and goods delivered. If the bulk mailers and Amazon do go elsewhere, then that's less work for the post office, they can get their job done quicker, the overtime dries up, and the post office starts making a profit.
I know that's all a bit simplistic, but it's the thought that crosses my mind as I read all this.
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Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
If you're not quite right, it's understandable. Amazon, USPS, UPS, FedEx and everyone else have floors of logistics specialists trying to figure it out as well.Mike Oxlong wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:00 pmI could be not quite right with what I'm about to say.km1125 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:27 am .... All this extra traffic from Amazon should have them drowning in extra cash... Why aren't they??? They should be more efficient than UPS or a dedicated Amazon delivery truck to get a package to your house, yet they can't do it nearly as good. Why not?? ....
Isn't there something about the USPS not being able to raise rates to where they could make a profit?
I thought I've read before they take a loss on bulk mail and "external" package delivery, In other words, being the last mile for Amazon and possibly others.
It would seem from a business sense to set the rates to where you would be making a profit.
If bulk mailing and Amazon don't like the new price, they are free to explore other options to get their materials and goods delivered. If the bulk mailers and Amazon do go elsewhere, then that's less work for the post office, they can get their job done quicker, the overtime dries up, and the post office starts making a profit.
I know that's all a bit simplistic, but it's the thought that crosses my mind as I read all this.
Where is gets tricky in terms of the Amazon-USPS relationship. If USPS decided to charge a premium on handling Amazon's business, most certainly AMZN would look to divert what they could elsewhere. They've already done so with FedEx, and they are purchasing dozens of Boeing aircraft to reduce their reliance on UPS. You'd have to ask FedEx how well that is working out for them but they, like the USPS have a certain amount of fixed costs that are going to be there whether they are moving one package or one hundred thousand packages. Better to spread those costs out by maintaining volume or better to reduce the size of the infrastructure? Again, you'd have to ask those floors of logistics wonks.
However what doesn't help is some loose cannon political appointee cowboy who has demonstrable conflict of financial interest acting upon the wishes of a President who doesn't like one of postal services largest customers and who doesn't like ballots moved by mail.
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It is still a necessary step. What DeJoy is doing in delaying mail by weeks in some cases is not the answer. It does benefit companies he has stock in however. The corruption here is breathtaking.km1125 wrote: ↑Mon Aug 10, 2020 12:59 pmGEEZ!! Maybe you need to do a bit of reading and understand this is not a situation you understand.
Here's a primer:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/ebauer/202 ... dc20a047f5
And here's some more (didn't take a lot of 'googling' to get these, either!):
"
....
Still, as we noted in 2011, the Postal Service’s problems are greater than the retirement rules.
The service’s own fact sheet says a House bill to scrap the pre-funding requirement "will not reduce our underlying liability for retiree health benefits, nor improve our cash flow or long-term financial position." COVID-19 has worsened that position further in recent weeks.
"The USPS is forecast to lose tens of billions of dollars over the next decade," the Trump administration’s 2018 report said. "Standalone proposals, such as forgiving the prefunding of post-employment benefits or renegotiating labor contracts, will be insufficient."
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... us-postal/
Donald Trump… In your guts you know he’s nuts.
The Resistance begins now.
This is a pro-Democracy account.
Dear America… you were warned.
The Resistance begins now.
This is a pro-Democracy account.
Dear America… you were warned.
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Re: Friday Night Massacre at USPS
Any service needs to adapt to its environment. The USPS still operates like it did when they rolled out ZIP codes long before how time sensitive information is sent and delivered.
It can still be a service and evolve with the times.
It can still be a service and evolve with the times.