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MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:40 pm
Ave Maria might be silly enough to consider 1080 in Owosso to be a "Lansing" signal.
I was thinking the very same thing.
As for WJIM, I worked there when Grant Santimore and partners owned it. 1240 was "Big Jim, Your Country Cousin" back then. The automation would frequently go off the rails, and at our house in Okemos, 1240 was buried in co-channel interference after dark. I could hear WJIM, but it was definitely NOT a usable signal after sunset. When I would leave the Frandor studios, the signal usually deteriorated just east of the 96/496 split.
Colonel Flagg wrote:
I was thinking the very same thing.
As for WJIM, I worked there when Grant Santimore and partners owned it. 1240 was "Big Jim, Your Country Cousin" back then. The automation would frequently go off the rails, and at our house in Okemos, 1240 was buried in co-channel interference after dark. I could hear WJIM, but it was definitely NOT a usable signal after sunset. When I would leave the Frandor studios, the signal usually deteriorated just east of the 96/496 split.
That reminds me of when I worked for WITL in the early-mid 90's. 1010 was licensed for 13 watts ERP at night. I lived in Haslett at the time. Driving home from White House I could take the AM signal to Jolly and Hagadorn. The second I crossed the light at Hagadorn Wittle 1010 disappeared and was replaced by CFTR 1010 from Toronto. I could mark the exact spot every time.
Didn't know that WJIM-AM used automation in the Country Cousin era. I heard they used an open-reel service for the music but thought it was manually run.
Colonel Flagg wrote:
I was thinking the very same thing.
As for WJIM, I worked there when Grant Santimore and partners owned it. 1240 was "Big Jim, Your Country Cousin" back then. The automation would frequently go off the rails, and at our house in Okemos, 1240 was buried in co-channel interference after dark. I could hear WJIM, but it was definitely NOT a usable signal after sunset. When I would leave the Frandor studios, the signal usually deteriorated just east of the 96/496 split.
That reminds me of when I worked for WITL in the early-mid 90's. 1010 was licensed for 13 watts ERP at night. I lived in Haslett at the time. Driving home from White House I could take the AM signal to Jolly and Hagadorn. The second I crossed the light at Hagadorn Wittle 1010 disappeared and was replaced by CFTR 1010 from Toronto. I could mark the exact spot every time.
Didn't know that WJIM-AM used automation in the Country Cousin era. I heard they used an open-reel service for the music but thought it was manually run.
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When you lost WITL 1010, it was in a large part the Directional Antenna, plus the CFRB and WINS interference. WJIM 1240 is nondirectional, and has interference from more than 100 stations on 1240. WITL 1010 had two "double nulls" to the East, originally so it didn't put more than 5 uV/m Daytime at the Canadian Border, as CFRB is considered to be a Class A skywave protected station, even though it had a lot of fancy footwork to allow WINS to operate on 1010 with 50 kW. The Class A protection was to appease CFRB after the Canadian government took over 690 and moved it to Montreal. They still need CFRX 6070 to fill the skywave gaps in the rural areas. WINS often dominates 1010 at Night in Michigan for some reason, almost as strong as the nondirectional 50 kW New York City stations.
With 13 watts at Night the Augmented DA power equivalent to the East was just 49 mW, using provisions of the Agreement with Canada to calculate it. In the Daytime, 1.8 watts.
Willie108 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 13, 2024 9:35 pm
In the early 70's you could get WJIM-AM here in Flint. I think it was during their Top 40 era.
It was once one of my many go to stations in Genesee County. In the early 1970s, it was being consulted by Conrad Jerome Jones, who had a similar format on WFDF, The Giant 91, and WCAR, The Giant 1130. They were successful for a few years before FM really started to take off. You could get WVIC 730 quite well Days, but WVIC-FM 94.9 was all but blotted out due to WFBE 95.1, and WILS 1320 by WTRX 1330. There was a place in a WFDF null near Van Slyke and Maple Road where WLS 890 and WOKY 920 came in well Days.
When WITL 1010 moved from Collins Rd. to Pine Tree Rd., when they did Proofs of Performance on the new DA, it was booming into Genesee County with nondirectional Proofs, the only time I remember that happening. I didn't know why at the time, but figured it out later.
"I had a job for a while as an announcer at WWV but I finally quit, because I couldn't stand the hours."
Wow. I can't relate to any of the engineering talk here, but let me just say that I've always been weirded out by the Ave Maria empire, Tom Monaghan, and anything related to it. I didn't know Ave Maria radio has 11 stations! Geez.
I love the tone of the original article posted. Very much a "uh, do you know who these people are?" I mean, I personally can relate. Talking to lapsed Catholics about the evil empire of Ave Maria. Lol.
“If Ave Maria plans on spreading to Lansing, that creeps me out,” Tirrell said.
BFSEsq wrote: ↑Mon Jul 29, 2024 11:22 am
Wow. I can't relate to any of the engineering talk here, but let me just say that I've always been weirded out by the Ave Maria empire, Tom Monaghan, and anything related to it. I didn't know Ave Maria radio has 11 stations! Geez.
I love the tone of the original article posted. Very much a "uh, do you know who these people are?" I mean, I personally can relate. Talking to lapsed Catholics about the evil empire of Ave Maria. Lol.
“If Ave Maria plans on spreading to Lansing, that creeps me out,” Tirrell said.
I'm more creeped out by the vast majority of the Lansing radio dial.
Outside of informing about the pending station sale, the article was stupid. I am going to pitch that they interview me about how offended I am about how many times I hear "Don't Fear The Reaper" and Prog Rock on Lansing radio.
WITL had a very nice AM stereo sound the few times I was in Lansing and locked into that station
as for WINS, they changed their night pattern i believe ~15-20 ago. I read somewhere they actually bought an Arkansas station just to shut it down (like how 910 did with 900 in Ohio)
80's/90's was only CFRB for me in Wayne county, now its more WINS
Graham Wellington wrote:
I'm more creeped out by the vast majority of the Lansing radio dial.
Outside of informing about the pending station sale, the article was stupid. I am going to pitch that they interview me about how offended I am about how many times I hear "Don't Fear The Reaper" and Prog Rock on Lansing radio.
I agree that the article seemed pretty one-sided. There are people who want a Catholic radio station in the market and are enthusiastic about the prospect. Had they sought to interview some of those folks and presented insights from both sides it would have been more balanced. Even the title of the article gives it a negative connotation right off the bat.
billmich88888 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 31, 2024 8:47 am
as for WINS, they changed their night pattern i believe ~15-20 ago. I read somewhere they actually bought an Arkansas station just to shut it down
80's/90's was only CFRB for me in Wayne county, now its more WINS
I seem to remember that WINS possibly had a three tower in line array before the present 4 tower parallelogram. Maybe it was another station.
In any event, The IDF in this direction shouldn't be anywhere near what the 50 kW nondirectional stations, WFAN, WABC, and WCBS, inverse fields are. Even if WINS was running 12500 watts nondirectional STA, it would only be roughly half of those stations' skywave, but it seems about equal.
MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:40 pm
Ave Maria might be silly enough to consider 1080 in Owosso to be a "Lansing" signal.
Wasn’t Ave Maria on 1080 before in the mid 2000s, Or was that who owned WDEO at the time.
It wasn't Ave Maria that owned it, but the group that ran it then aired most of the same EWTN programming that Ave Maria carries.
It lasted only from early 2006 to mid 2007 I remember them calling it a lansing station, their sister station at the time 1090 in Detroit shuttered in 2009.
MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2024 1:40 pm
Ave Maria might be silly enough to consider 1080 in Owosso to be a "Lansing" signal.
Wasn’t Ave Maria on 1080 before in the mid 2000s, Or was that who owned WDEO at the time.
It wasn't Ave Maria that owned it, but the group that ran it then aired most of the same EWTN programming that Ave Maria carries.
It lasted only from early 2006 to mid 2007 I remember them calling it a lansing station, their sister station at the time 1090 in Detroit shuttered in 2009.
The group was Michigan Catholic Radio. They applied to move the transmitter to Lansing with a 50 KW directional daytime signal and COL of Waverly. I believe the CP was approved but they didn't have the cash to build it out. MCR continued the local Oldies/Nostalgia format on WOAP during the week with some Catholic programming, mostly on weekends. The station eventually went dark and the Catholic group sold it to Birach Broadcasting.
" And the jet fighters tune to the catholic radio there..."
I do recall Catholic radio being in the 10s on The AM dial up in the lower mid-Michigan area years ago, can't recall if WCAR Detroit was a full time simulcast of 1080 or if it aired different programing at times.
