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ATSC 3.0 is unnecessary; numerous 4K, 1080p and 720p streams already possible using a single RF channel in ATSC 1.0!

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Re: ATSC 3.0 is unnecessary; numerous 4K, 1080p and 720p streams already possible using a single RF channel in ATSC 1.0!

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a smaller # of receivers can decode HEVC than the current standard.

The poor folk are the ones most likely not to have the latest and greatest set to decode HEVC, and the poor folk (read: Black and Brown people) are the ones most reliant on OTA broadcasts.

Therefore............ it is racist to switch the standard over that would leave THAT group behind .-

You know that's exactly how it would play out on Capitol Hill.....
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Re: ATSC 3.0 is unnecessary; numerous 4K, 1080p and 720p streams already possible using a single RF channel in ATSC 1.0!

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I hate the idea of another RF transition, IE ATSC 3.0

I like the idea what this guy has done in Eugene.

If I was at the FCC, I would ask TV vendors to provide software patches for older sets. Maybe even setup a software group to help do this.
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Re: ATSC 3.0 is unnecessary; numerous 4K, 1080p and 720p streams already possible using a single RF channel in ATSC 1.0!

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for what it's worth, none of these stations are in 5.1 sound - not sure how much more bandwidth extra audio channels would consume, but it is worth noting
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Re: ATSC 3.0 is unnecessary; numerous 4K, 1080p and 720p streams already possible using a single RF channel in ATSC 1.0!

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What about the stability of the signal and the digital signal cliff? Any improvement in coverage areas and signal holes?
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Re: ATSC 3.0 is unnecessary; numerous 4K, 1080p and 720p streams already possible using a single RF channel in ATSC 1.0!

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audiophile wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:31 am I hate the idea of another RF transition, IE ATSC 3.0

I like the idea what this guy has done in Eugene.

If I was at the FCC, I would ask TV vendors to provide software patches for older sets. Maybe even setup a software group to help do this.
Very very few "older sets" are capable of software or firmware updates, or have onboard connectivity to do so. The very long transition period for 3.0/NextGen is to allow for the "older sets" to age out, with the newer tech presumed to be universally available to replace them over the 10 or so year period.
I also don't see the Eugene experiment allowing for HDR, which for many is a more significant improvement than 4k. The chart doesn't show what the bit rate is for the multiple streams, but suspect the low priority (read Shopping and nostalgia channels)getting the short stick.
ATSC 3.0 was designed at the get-go to be extensible, and provides a degree of "future proofing" allowing for upgrades and updates to be pushed out out to users as codecs and modulation schemes evolve.
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Re: ATSC 3.0 is unnecessary; numerous 4K, 1080p and 720p streams already possible using a single RF channel in ATSC 1.0!

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SolarMax wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 4:28 pm
audiophile wrote: Thu Mar 21, 2024 6:31 am I hate the idea of another RF transition, IE ATSC 3.0

I like the idea what this guy has done in Eugene.

If I was at the FCC, I would ask TV vendors to provide software patches for older sets. Maybe even setup a software group to help do this.
Very very few "older sets" are capable of software or firmware updates, or have onboard connectivity to do so. The very long transition period for 3.0/NextGen is to allow for the "older sets" to age out, with the newer tech presumed to be universally available to replace them over the 10 or so year period.
I also don't see the Eugene experiment allowing for HDR, which for many is a more significant improvement than 4k. The chart doesn't show what the bit rate is for the multiple streams, but suspect the low priority (read Shopping and nostalgia channels)getting the short stick.
ATSC 3.0 was designed at the get-go to be extensible, and provides a degree of "future proofing" allowing for upgrades and updates to be pushed out out to users as codecs and modulation schemes evolve.

AMEN

the jump from SD to HD was mind blowing, the jump from HD to 4k, not so much.... the real WOW factor is the HDR/Dolby Vision -
Dare I say that 1080P with HDR > 4K SDR
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