Whitmer repeals right-to-work, reinstates prevailing wage in Michigan

[keto]

This may be a bit simplistic, but if businesses and owners could be counted on to do what's RIGHT, would there even be a need for a union in the first place?

Or, if workers realized their own worth and negotiated their own compensation without paying someone else to do it. You know, like 90% of American workers not in a union.

And it doesn't really even take negotiation. If you're unhappy and think you deserve more, then shop your skills around. Either you ARE worth it and someone will snap you up, or it'll be a reality check that maybe you're NOT worth any more than you're getting already! THEN, the decision is up to YOU.

You’re making way too much sense for some people around here.

[keto]

Hmmm. I’m in a Union represented office. Why do we have people come and apply for our job openings? Because we are one of the highest paid jobs, along with the schools and hospital, in our county, Yet because of RTW, we’ve had some people (who are despised by co-workers) get the high paying job who then quit paying Union dues. They want their cake and eat it too.

Most of you are also missing a couple of things. With RTW overturned, while you can no longer be a free loader, you can choose to pay an administrative fee and not become a member of the union. That fee is generally about 90% of Union dues (at least at my Local). Additionally, Union dues DO NOT go towards supporting political candidates. That’s what an independent PAC that the Unions set up is for. It’s a completely independent contribution that members make.

There would be no "freeloaders" for the union to bully, threaten, and intimidate if the union allowed them to decide for themselves whether they wanted to be represented or not.

The whole "agency fee" is laughable. And yes, it's "agency fee" not "administrative fee." It's the union Hotel California. "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave." Pay a majority of the cost of membership, but lose the right to vote in union "business." That's cute.

Again, freedom of association allows Americans to freely associate and also not to associate with groups they choose. If six out of 10 neighbors on the street want a community pool, they shouldn't be able to force the other four to pay for it. If you want a pool, pay for it yourself.

[keto]

Both my wife and I were born into and grew up in poverty. Indeed the first few years of our life together, we lived in poverty.

I got my first big break when I got a job in a Union shop, with decent wages, benefits and something called a Pension Plan

Today we're retired. We aren't wealthy but we live in modest comfort, thamks to my Ubion job.

I don't regret a nikel of the dues I paid to my Union.

Good for you. Just don't force others to do the same.

[keto]

This may be a bit simplistic, but if businesses and owners could be counted on to do what's RIGHT, would there even be a need for a union in the first place?

Exactly. My great uncle was is the Flint sit down strike... They didn't just decide to do that one day.

No one forces people to take a Union job.

Then there is this...

Meat Packing


Henry Ford's Private Police


This year's child labor scandal

And union thugs are actually choir boys, right? I've seen the violence first-hand.

[keto]

Really do tell us... Lots of talk, but you seem full of shit.

We are listening...

Glad you asked.

Here are some union thugs ripping apart the private property of others: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1PjVILHNa4

Here's where they destroyed an African American man's livelihood: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/mi-u ... ht-to-work

Oh, and they called him "Uncle Tom" and other racist epithets.

Here's the Dearborn police union president beating up his wife: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A7LzBCGFLE

More pushing and shoving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHkEBMXJQmQ

Then there are the union thugs who stabbed someone in the neck, threw hot coffee on non-union workers, poured sand in gas tanks, and threatened sexual assault against one of the company reps. But I'm sure it was "mostly peaceful," right? https://abcnews.go.com/Business/nasty-u ... d=14572790

You asked for it.

[keto]

Hmmm. I’m in a Union represented office. Why do we have people come and apply for our job openings? Because we are one of the highest paid jobs, along with the schools and hospital, in our county, Yet because of RTW, we’ve had some people (who are despised by co-workers) get the high paying job who then quit paying Union dues. They want their cake and eat it too.

Most of you are also missing a couple of things. With RTW overturned, while you can no longer be a free loader, you can choose to pay an administrative fee and not become a member of the union. That fee is generally about 90% of Union dues (at least at my Local). Additionally, Union dues DO NOT go towards supporting political candidates. That’s what an independent PAC that the Unions set up is for. It’s a completely independent contribution that members make.

There would be no "freeloaders" for the union to bully, threaten, and intimidate if the union allowed them to decide for themselves whether they wanted to be represented or not.

The whole "agency fee" is laughable. And yes, it's "agency fee" not "administrative fee." It's the union Hotel California. "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave." Pay a majority of the cost of membership, but lose the right to vote in union "business." That's cute.

Again, freedom of association allows Americans to freely associate and also not to associate with groups they choose. If six out of 10 neighbors on the street want a community pool, they shouldn't be able to force the other four to pay for it. If you want a pool, pay for it yourself.

Simple solution to people who don’t want to pay it - don’t apply and come to work for a Union shop

That's just like saying to women, "If you don't want to be sexually harassed, work somewhere else!"

People have rights. Respect them.

[keto]

Hmmm. I’m in a Union represented office. Why do we have people come and apply for our job openings? Because we are one of the highest paid jobs, along with the schools and hospital, in our county, Yet because of RTW, we’ve had some people (who are despised by co-workers) get the high paying job who then quit paying Union dues. They want their cake and eat it too.

Most of you are also missing a couple of things. With RTW overturned, while you can no longer be a free loader, you can choose to pay an administrative fee and not become a member of the union. That fee is generally about 90% of Union dues (at least at my Local). Additionally, Union dues DO NOT go towards supporting political candidates. That’s what an independent PAC that the Unions set up is for. It’s a completely independent contribution that members make.

There would be no "freeloaders" for the union to bully, threaten, and intimidate if the union allowed them to decide for themselves whether they wanted to be represented or not.

The whole "agency fee" is laughable. And yes, it's "agency fee" not "administrative fee." It's the union Hotel California. "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave." Pay a majority of the cost of membership, but lose the right to vote in union "business." That's cute.

Again, freedom of association allows Americans to freely associate and also not to associate with groups they choose. If six out of 10 neighbors on the street want a community pool, they shouldn't be able to force the other four to pay for it. If you want a pool, pay for it yourself.

Simple solution to people who don’t want to pay it - don’t apply and come to work for a Union shop

That's just like saying to women, "If you don't want to be sexually harassed, work somewhere else!"

People have rights. Respect them.

This is more like applying at Hooters or Twin Peaks then complaining that you have to wear revealing tank tops or shorts. You knew it when you walked into the place to apply. Get real

Nope.

It’s like being forced to fund a private organization that you may disagree with in order to keep your job, because that’s exactly what it is.

[keto]

A uniform you are required to wear is completely different than taking additional money from your pay check without your consent and forcing you to join an organization you are against and or want no part of.

This is more like applying at Hooters or Twin Peaks then complaining that you have to wear revealing tank tops or shorts. You knew it when you walked into the place to apply. Get real

Then don’t work there.

Or, better yet, don’t force people to do what they don’t want to.

[keto]

A uniform you are required to wear is completely different than taking additional money from your pay check without your consent and forcing you to join an organization you are against and or want no part of.

This is more like applying at Hooters or Twin Peaks then complaining that you have to wear revealing tank tops or shorts. You knew it when you walked into the place to apply. Get real

Then don’t work there.

Or, better yet, don’t force people to do what they don’t want to.

Or best yet… avoid the problem in the first place. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to work there. But it’s a condition of employment.

Let's say a majority of your coworkers voted that a portion of every check you receive goes to the Catholic Church, or the Chamber of Commerce, or another private entity. Oh, and if you don't pay, you're fired. The union is no different.

[keto]

A uniform you are required to wear is completely different than taking additional money from your pay check without your consent and forcing you to join an organization you are against and or want no part of.

This is more like applying at Hooters or Twin Peaks then complaining that you have to wear revealing tank tops or shorts. You knew it when you walked into the place to apply. Get real

Then don’t work there.

Or, better yet, don’t force people to do what they don’t want to.

Or best yet… avoid the problem in the first place. Nobody held a gun to their head and told them to work there. But it’s a condition of employment.

Let's say a majority of your coworkers voted that a portion of every check you receive goes to the Catholic Church, or the Chamber of Commerce, or another private entity. Oh, and if you don't pay, you're fired. The union is no different.

Then petition for it to go the other way and win. Problem solved.

Seriously? You think it should be legal to force you to pay an organization you disagree with in order to keep your job? Why should the union get this privilege and no other group?

[keto]

Q: Why should I, as a condition of employment, be compelled to join the Union?

A: Because, in a legally binding contract, the employer an Union agreed that all employees shall become members of the Union.

Q: Why should I have to pay Union dues if I don’t want to?

A: Because, in the legally binding contract, the employer agreed to deduct Union dues from the pay of all employees

Q: Why should I have to work the hours of work as set out in the contract? I don’t like shift work

A: Because, in the legally binding contract, the parties agreed to those hours of work.

Q: Why should I have to accept the rate of pay set out in the collective agreement? I think I’m worth more

A: Because, in a legally binding contract, the parties agreed to those rates of pay.

Q: What can I do if I don’t like the rate of pay?

A: You can quit your job and go somewhere else

Q: What can I do if I don’t like the hours of work?

A: You can quit your job and go somewhere else with more favourable working hours

Q: What if I don’t like being forced to jpin a Union and to pay dues?

A: If the employer didn’t advise you of that before they hired you, quit your job immediately, lawyer up and sue the employer for misrepresentation.

If they did advise you, the why the Hell did you take the job? quit your whining.

Willing parties should be able to voluntarily agree on anything, just don't force other people to do the same.

[keto]

Union dues are a ransom...you either pay up or you can't work here. Lame-o. People should be able to work anywhere they want without being discriminated against for any reason, including refusal to join a union.

The fastest way to get fired is not paying union dues.

Drunk, high, lazy, late, doesn't matter...just pay the dues.

[keto]

Yes. The Union even has to fight your grievance for you when you f**k up.

The union created the “freeloader” problem by not allowing people to negotiate themselves.

[keto]

Again, she shows that she's only pro choice when it comes to killing babies.

The decision of whether to kill one’s kids is an important one, and one that should only be made between the mother and her physician.

[keto]

Again, she shows that she's only pro choice when it comes to killing babies.

The decision of whether to kill one’s kids is an important one, and one that should only be made between the mother and her physician.

You’re only able to keep a straight face for like 4 days? Pathetic.

How would you know if I’m straight?