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The following was a letter in the WSJ today:
Let me, a two-time Trump voter and lifelong Republican, count the reasons I won’t vote for Donald Trump again (“Trump Needs an Apprentice” by Greg Opelka, op-ed, June 29):

First, his behavior in dealing with the election results in Georgia cost Republicans control of the Senate. Second, his Jan. 6 behavior created an effective cudgel for Democrats to wield against Republicans, in some cases resulting in their defeat. Third, while clearly more fit than President Biden, Mr. Trump’s age will hamper his level of performance. Fourth, he bears significant responsibility for not being a uniter. If elected, he would exacerbate ideological chasms. Fifth, the other candidates whom Mr. Opelka lists would all be more electable and superior performers.

Stuart Wood

Carlsbad, Calif.
I agree with every point listed here, and while I acknowledge there were some policy gains and judicial appointments that I was very pleased with under Trump, character and leadership ability matter. This country can't handle further fracturing.

I'm not trying to change minds, and I doubt I will, but I do invite anyone that is willing to join #NeverAgainTrump. Lefties have a part to play too - you all need to stop supporting Trump stooges with the hope of creating an electoral advantage.
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If I have to vote for fascist lite Trump to stop ultra fascist DeathSantis, I will happily do so. I voted for Kasich in 2016 for the same reason. Don’t think I won’t wage war against the biggest fascist yet.
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MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:33 pm If I have to vote for fascist lite Trump to stop ultra fascist DeathSantis, I will happily do so. I voted for Kasich in 2016 for the same reason. Don’t think I won’t wage war against the biggest fascist yet.
You don't know what fascist means.
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Matt wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:14 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:33 pm If I have to vote for fascist lite Trump to stop ultra fascist DeathSantis, I will happily do so. I voted for Kasich in 2016 for the same reason. Don’t think I won’t wage war against the biggest fascist yet.
You don't know what fascist means.
I don’t think you will until it’s too late.
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Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
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Matt wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:14 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:33 pm If I have to vote for fascist lite Trump to stop ultra fascist DeathSantis, I will happily do so. I voted for Kasich in 2016 for the same reason. Don’t think I won’t wage war against the biggest fascist yet.
You still don't know what fascist means (and probably never will).
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km1125 wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:40 pm
Matt wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 6:14 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 9:33 pm If I have to vote for fascist lite Trump to stop ultra fascist DeathSantis, I will happily do so. I voted for Kasich in 2016 for the same reason. Don’t think I won’t wage war against the biggest fascist yet.
You still don't know what fascist means (and probably never will).
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km1125 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:04 pm
Turkeytop wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 5:29 pm I don't know how people can joke about and treat so lightly, the fact that a powerful group of people attempted and almost succeeded in the overthrow of democracy in your country.

It scares me just thinking about how close we came to living nextdoor to a facist dictatorship.
Except it WAS a big joke. NOBODY was "overthrowing democracy"!!
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Honeyman wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:48 pm Says the fool who posted this:
km1125 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:04 pm
Except it WAS a big joke. NOBODY was "overthrowing democracy"!!
That was (and is) 100% a accurate statement. The government was not going to be overthrown that day, regardless how successful the attackers were in their quest to do whatever they thought they were trying to do.
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km1125 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:41 am
Honeyman wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:48 pm Says the fool who posted this:
km1125 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:04 pm
Except it WAS a big joke. NOBODY was "overthrowing democracy"!!
That was (and is) 100% a accurate statement. The government was not going to be overthrown that day, regardless how successful the attackers were in their quest to do whatever they thought they were trying to do.
What do you think your beloved feuher meant when he asked the Georgia SOS to "Find me 11 thousand votes"?
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The rioters didn't succeed. But that was just the culmination of weeks of plotting and scheming to overturn the vote. How can anyone be accepting or forgiving of that?
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Anybody who thinks the United States Government was on the verge of being overthrown on January 6 is perhaps more delusional than anybody who thinks Trump actually won the election.
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Honeyman wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:19 am
km1125 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:41 am
Honeyman wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:48 pm Says the fool who posted this:
km1125 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:04 pm
Except it WAS a big joke. NOBODY was "overthrowing democracy"!!
That was (and is) 100% a accurate statement. The government was not going to be overthrown that day, regardless how successful the attackers were in their quest to do whatever they thought they were trying to do.
What do you think your beloved feuher meant when he asked the Georgia SOS to "Find me 11 thousand votes"?
Maybe somebody, like the head of the Georgia SOS, should have actually asked him specifically what he meant. That would have cleared up any confusion. If he said "I want you to falsify them" then things would have been much easier for a prosecution. If he said "I want to you thoroughly vett those votes that came in and figure out where there were miscounts an missed votes" then we'd know he didn't make any attempt to subvert a legal or legitimate election. But we don't really know because no one had the balls to actually ask the question when it counted.

So we're left with "feelings" and "conspiracy theories".
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Matt wrote: Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:46 pm The following was a letter in the WSJ today:
Let me, a two-time Trump voter and lifelong Republican, count the reasons I won’t vote for Donald Trump again (“Trump Needs an Apprentice” by Greg Opelka, op-ed, June 29):

First, his behavior in dealing with the election results in Georgia cost Republicans control of the Senate. Second, his Jan. 6 behavior created an effective cudgel for Democrats to wield against Republicans, in some cases resulting in their defeat. Third, while clearly more fit than President Biden, Mr. Trump’s age will hamper his level of performance. Fourth, he bears significant responsibility for not being a uniter. If elected, he would exacerbate ideological chasms. Fifth, the other candidates whom Mr. Opelka lists would all be more electable and superior performers.

Stuart Wood

Carlsbad, Calif.
I agree with every point listed here, and while I acknowledge there were some policy gains and judicial appointments that I was very pleased with under Trump, character and leadership ability matter. This country can't handle further fracturing.

I'm not trying to change minds, and I doubt I will, but I do invite anyone that is willing to join #NeverAgainTrump. Lefties have a part to play too - you all need to stop supporting Trump stooges with the hope of creating an electoral advantage.
Good points. If you add #NeverAgainBush, and #NeverAgainClinton, I may consider it. Otherwise, we can expect "more of the same" going forward. Ignore the big picture, and the real problem, at your own peril. (Hint... it's not Trump, no matter how much you want to believe it is)
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km1125 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 10:18 am
Honeyman wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:19 am
km1125 wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 8:41 am
Honeyman wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 10:48 pm Says the fool who posted this:
km1125 wrote: Tue Jun 14, 2022 6:04 pm
Except it WAS a big joke. NOBODY was "overthrowing democracy"!!
That was (and is) 100% a accurate statement. The government was not going to be overthrown that day, regardless how successful the attackers were in their quest to do whatever they thought they were trying to do.
What do you think your beloved feuher meant when he asked the Georgia SOS to "Find me 11 thousand votes"?
Maybe somebody, like the head of the Georgia SOS, should have actually asked him specifically what he meant. That would have cleared up any confusion. If he said "I want you to falsify them" then things would have been much easier for a prosecution. If he said "I want to you thoroughly vett those votes that came in and figure out where there were miscounts an missed votes" then we'd know he didn't make any attempt to subvert a legal or legitimate election. But we don't really know because no one had the balls to actually ask the question when it counted.

So we're left with "feelings" and "conspiracy theories".
There really is no confusion to clear up. Most thinking individuals know exactly what was meant by those words.
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Turkeytop wrote: Thu Jul 07, 2022 9:59 am The rioters didn't succeed. But that was just the culmination of weeks of plotting and scheming to overturn the vote. How can anyone be accepting or forgiving of that?
Interesting how many others on this site are so blind while the Canadian poster sums things up so succinctly.
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One poster on this board has already said America would be better off today had the insurrection succeeded.
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