Some registered account users are experiencing password recognition issues. The issue appears to have been triggered by a PHP update last night. If this is occurring, please try logging in and using the "forgot password?" utility. Bear in mind auto-generated password reset emails may appear in your spam folder. If this does not work, please click the "Contact Us" option near the lower right hand corner of the index page to contact me via email.

Thank you for your patience!
- M.W.

(APRIL FOOLS) WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Discussion pertaining to Detroit, Ann Arbor, Port Huron and SW Ontario
User avatar
Splouge
Posts: 387
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:34 pm

(APRIL FOOLS) WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by Splouge »

The FCC has approved an application for WHNE to begin a channel-sharing agreement with other low power stations Metro Detroit. WHNE will continue to carry all of its current channels, but now indoor antenna users will be able to receive them with more ease.

Channels 3.1 to 3.7 will be on WHPS's RF15 signal.

Channels 3.8 to 3.13 will be on WDWO RF22

3.13 will be the new home for the movie channel. While 3.6 will be Detroit's Rewind TV affiliate.






Happy April fools day!
Last edited by Splouge on Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:12 pm, edited 1 time in total.
"Wanna watch some syndicated slop with very little budget or entertainment value? You got it buddy!"

-Byron "The Broadcast Butcher" Allen
User avatar
Ben Zonia
Posts: 2464
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:35 pm
Location: Honor

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by Ben Zonia »

Would somebody please start manufacturing in quantity a modestly directional, modest gain, VHF Low antenna for LPTV, regardless of whether or not this is an April Fool's joke?
"I had a job for a while as an announcer at WWV but I finally quit, because I couldn't stand the hours."

-Author Unknown
SolidGoldDancers
Posts: 222
Joined: Mon Dec 26, 2005 9:03 pm

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by SolidGoldDancers »

I am using a 6m Moxon rectangle for low VHF. Works as well as anything you can buy.
User avatar
Ben Zonia
Posts: 2464
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:35 pm
Location: Honor

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by Ben Zonia »

So, if we shorten the lengths in this DIY version for 63 MHz rather than 51 MHz, multiplying the lengths by 51/63, we could get 5.5 dBi-2.15=3.35 dBd gain with 25 dB F/B. But what about bandwidth? I would assume that this would have a rather sharp resonance curve. And 75 ohm RG 6 would have a close enough match?

https://www.jpole-antenna.com/2014/06/1 ... n-antenna/
Last edited by Ben Zonia on Sat Apr 02, 2022 12:11 am, edited 1 time in total.
"I had a job for a while as an announcer at WWV but I finally quit, because I couldn't stand the hours."

-Author Unknown
km1125
Posts: 3789
Joined: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by km1125 »

It would be nice if they could allocate a few more bits to those subchannels that have motion video and less to those shopping channels
tvbobn
Posts: 160
Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:25 pm

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by tvbobn »

km1125 wrote: Fri Apr 01, 2022 11:04 pm It would be nice if they could allocate a few more bits to those subchannels that have motion video and less to those shopping channels
WHNE has 12 channels. 3 channels sell stuff.

Don't you think that 9 channels of programing out of 12 is enough to entertain people?

They do have to make money to operate somehow you know.
Frontier Airlines SUCKS! They're a bunch of thieves. Don't fly with them!
User avatar
Splouge
Posts: 387
Joined: Mon Sep 07, 2015 2:34 pm

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by Splouge »

SBN doesn't need as much bandwidth allocated to it either.
"Wanna watch some syndicated slop with very little budget or entertainment value? You got it buddy!"

-Byron "The Broadcast Butcher" Allen
km1125
Posts: 3789
Joined: Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:09 pm

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by km1125 »

MWmetalhead wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 7:54 am You missed the point of km1125's post. Nowhere does he say that the shopping channels should be dropped. He said less bandwidth should be devoted to them so that some channels with fast motion could have better looking resolution for the viewer.

I think Grio looks very good. Drive In looks good.
GetTV isn't bad and looks better than the feed offered by WPXD.

Rev'N and Heartland look grainy to my eye. The ticker on NewsNet is a bit difficult to read, too, although that is partially their fault (they use a crappy font). The rest of the imagery on NewsNet looks OK.

These issues are certainly not unique to WHNE. I'm watching WWJ 62.4 right now, and while I've seen no blocking or distortion issues, the picture looks very dull.
Exactly. Rev'N is almost unwatchable sometimes with the loss of resolution. Much worse than analog even with a signal with lower SNR.

Does anybody know if anyone uses VBR on their transport streams? That would probably solve a lot of issues, but I don't know if 100% of the receivers are compatible or required to be able to decode them.
tvbobn
Posts: 160
Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:25 pm

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by tvbobn »

This antenna is good for Low VHF - High VHF and UHF for less than $80.

https://www.amazon.com/Winegard-YA7000C ... ljaz10cnVl
Frontier Airlines SUCKS! They're a bunch of thieves. Don't fly with them!
User avatar
Ben Zonia
Posts: 2464
Joined: Sat Jun 03, 2006 10:35 pm
Location: Honor

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by Ben Zonia »

Where are the technical specifications for the Winegard, gain, pattern, etc.? Does it work well for WHNE? It looks like figure 8, 0 dBd on VHF Low, slight gain on VHF High due to parasitic elements, and UHF due to the UHF directors. Remember you get about 10 dB of noise free, passive gain from mounting it outdoors at about 30 feet, above indoors, and no attic roof and wall absorption.
"I had a job for a while as an announcer at WWV but I finally quit, because I couldn't stand the hours."

-Author Unknown
tvbobn
Posts: 160
Joined: Sat Dec 04, 2004 3:25 pm

Re: WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by tvbobn »

Ben Zonia wrote: Sat Apr 02, 2022 5:29 pm Where are the technical specifications for the Winegard, gain, pattern, etc.? Does it work well for WHNE? It looks like figure 8, 0 dBd on VHF Low, slight gain on VHF High due to parasitic elements, and UHF due to the UHF directors. Remember you get about 10 dB of noise free, passive gain from mounting it outdoors at about 30 feet, above indoors, and no attic roof and wall absorption.
The antenna I mentioned above is the antenna that WHNE used to test all over the Detroit area after they made the switch to channel 3. This antenna comes with a additional kit to add on the back part of the antenna to make it better at receiving Low VHF.

Back then they reported on their Facebook page all about the testing with maps showing where they tested. One of their engineers would stand at ground level and held the antenna with one hand above his head and watched a battery TV with the other. They received WHNE signal west of 275 toward Ann Arbor and almost to the shore line near St. Clair Shores. This testing was just above ground level and this antenna worked well according to them.

They've mentioned on FB that a viewer in Jackson can receive them and another north of Brighten. The signal seems to get out, but people complain and blame WHNE for having a poor signal when it seems the real problem is these viewers don't have an antenna that received Low VHF!

WHNE reported many times on FB during the first 6 months after they were on channel 3, but not so much lately. I guess anyone that really wants to watch WHNE has figured out the antenna problem by now.
Frontier Airlines SUCKS! They're a bunch of thieves. Don't fly with them!
User avatar
Dr. Sandi
Posts: 58
Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2020 10:51 pm
Location: My heart lives at Houghton Lake

Re: (APRIL FOOLS) WHNE adds Rewind TV, returns to UHF thru channel sharing

Unread post by Dr. Sandi »

I found this little beauty online. Naturally it's made in China, but very affordable. I believe it's a low cost solution to the low VHF channel reception issue.

Image

One manufacturing error though. You have to undo the little loop on the top and attach each end of the antenna to your twin-lead.
GenX lives at SuperCFL 94.5 HD4 Olympia - Streaming at http://supercfl.ddns.net:20110
Post Reply