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WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
It may be a tad premature to look at Texas' numbers relative to the lifting of the mask mandate - but if those numbers continue to decline for another few weeks, then I think it is fair to say that the mask mandates there were completely useless. I'd be curious to see data on how many people there are still voluntarily wearing masks. Per the IHME site, it appears that observed mask-wearing has only fallen a few percentage points. Not sure how accurate this is.
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Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
Invalid Repube site. Try again.Matt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:58 amTexas is doing GREAT since they ended their mask mandate. You maskzis are NOT going to like this data: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/03 ... as-n351435MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:39 pmMatt, we have studies out of the UK and U-M(your alma mater) that say the Gretchen led lock downs saved lives. Academia doesn't agree that they were useless. States like Florida and Texas are still struggling with cases. And even if they don't lead to deaths, the great cost and "legacy" of COVID will be the long haulers and amount of long term disability faced. This will put a H*** strain on our PCP's. More than likely, we will see these cases of heart failure surge in the next 5-10 years. Right wing conservatives will blame obesity, but it will be COVID related. Just watch.
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Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
Texas is beaming in from where illinois was at their peak. They were doing TERRIBLY and it’s just coming back down to earth.Matt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:58 amTexas is doing GREAT since they ended their mask mandate. You maskzis are NOT going to like this data: https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/03 ... as-n351435MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 1:39 pmMatt, we have studies out of the UK and U-M(your alma mater) that say the Gretchen led lock downs saved lives. Academia doesn't agree that they were useless. States like Florida and Texas are still struggling with cases. And even if they don't lead to deaths, the great cost and "legacy" of COVID will be the long haulers and amount of long term disability faced. This will put a H*** strain on our PCP's. More than likely, we will see these cases of heart failure surge in the next 5-10 years. Right wing conservatives will blame obesity, but it will be COVID related. Just watch.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
One step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
And 'herd immunity' isn't an on/off switch. Cases are not magically going to disappear once we reach that threshold, but as more and more actually contract it or get vaccinated, that's less and less vulnerable every single day.
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Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
We already have had cases of reinfection. The people who got COVID one year ago are at risk now again. Your immunity wears off after a year based on the findings of most virologists (I happen to know one as well). That puts those who contracted COVID a year ago at risk. Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats. Combine that with children who don't know how to wear masks properly and teachers who don't believe in the virus(and fail to properly space students desks far enough apart), and you have a real problem. Add to that the fact you also have plenty who take the bus, and you have plenty who experience 15+ minutes of exposure. With the new variants, that's more than enough time for spread. But of course, I am the one with no facts.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
They/them, non-binary and proud.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
So when do we go back to normal? This is gonna behave like the flu... it’ll just be another thing to catch. We can’t simply take precautions in perpetuity. Society will collapse. People have been more than patient but they won’t take it forever.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pmWe already have had cases of reinfection. The people who got COVID one year ago are at risk now again. Your immunity wears off after a year based on the findings of most virologists (I happen to know one as well). That puts those who contracted COVID a year ago at risk. Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats. Combine that with children who don't know how to wear masks properly and teachers who don't believe in the virus(and fail to properly space students desks far enough apart), and you have a real problem. Add to that the fact you also have plenty who take the bus, and you have plenty who experience 15+ minutes of exposure. With the new variants, that's more than enough time for spread. But of course, I am the one with no facts.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
Gretchen will be the first to get thrown out on her ass.
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Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
Unless the GOP runs Candice Miller, Whitmer is going nowhere. I feel that by the fall, we will have enough people vaccinated where it will slow down somewhat. And we are going to have businesses that are going to require vaccines for entrance because people will have had the enough of the spread and reinfections. Q supporters/vaccine decliners will be asked to stay home as karma will turn their own words around to bite them in the ass.Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:05 pmSo when do we go back to normal? This is gonna behave like the flu... it’ll just be another thing to catch. We can’t simply take precautions in perpetuity. Society will collapse. People have been more than patient but they won’t take it forever.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pmWe already have had cases of reinfection. The people who got COVID one year ago are at risk now again. Your immunity wears off after a year based on the findings of most virologists (I happen to know one as well). That puts those who contracted COVID a year ago at risk. Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats. Combine that with children who don't know how to wear masks properly and teachers who don't believe in the virus(and fail to properly space students desks far enough apart), and you have a real problem. Add to that the fact you also have plenty who take the bus, and you have plenty who experience 15+ minutes of exposure. With the new variants, that's more than enough time for spread. But of course, I am the one with no facts.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
Gretchen will be the first to get thrown out on her ass.
They/them, non-binary and proud.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
I’m telling you that if we still have a mask mandate in 2022 Whitmer is a goner.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:16 pmUnless the GOP runs Candice Miller, Whitmer is going nowhere. I feel that by the fall, we will have enough people vaccinated where it will slow down somewhat. And we are going to have businesses that are going to require vaccines for entrance because people will have had the enough of the spread and reinfections. Q supporters/vaccine decliners will be asked to stay home as karma will turn their own words around to bite them in the ass.Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:05 pmSo when do we go back to normal? This is gonna behave like the flu... it’ll just be another thing to catch. We can’t simply take precautions in perpetuity. Society will collapse. People have been more than patient but they won’t take it forever.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pmWe already have had cases of reinfection. The people who got COVID one year ago are at risk now again. Your immunity wears off after a year based on the findings of most virologists (I happen to know one as well). That puts those who contracted COVID a year ago at risk. Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats. Combine that with children who don't know how to wear masks properly and teachers who don't believe in the virus(and fail to properly space students desks far enough apart), and you have a real problem. Add to that the fact you also have plenty who take the bus, and you have plenty who experience 15+ minutes of exposure. With the new variants, that's more than enough time for spread. But of course, I am the one with no facts.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
Gretchen will be the first to get thrown out on her ass.
You won’t even bother to answer my question by the way.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
For simplification, here is the question for MCRF: So when do we go back to normal?Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:30 pmI’m telling you that if we still have a mask mandate in 2022 Whitmer is a goner.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:16 pmUnless the GOP runs Candice Miller, Whitmer is going nowhere. I feel that by the fall, we will have enough people vaccinated where it will slow down somewhat. And we are going to have businesses that are going to require vaccines for entrance because people will have had the enough of the spread and reinfections. Q supporters/vaccine decliners will be asked to stay home as karma will turn their own words around to bite them in the ass.Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:05 pmSo when do we go back to normal? This is gonna behave like the flu... it’ll just be another thing to catch. We can’t simply take precautions in perpetuity. Society will collapse. People have been more than patient but they won’t take it forever.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pmWe already have had cases of reinfection. The people who got COVID one year ago are at risk now again. Your immunity wears off after a year based on the findings of most virologists (I happen to know one as well). That puts those who contracted COVID a year ago at risk. Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats. Combine that with children who don't know how to wear masks properly and teachers who don't believe in the virus(and fail to properly space students desks far enough apart), and you have a real problem. Add to that the fact you also have plenty who take the bus, and you have plenty who experience 15+ minutes of exposure. With the new variants, that's more than enough time for spread. But of course, I am the one with no facts.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
Gretchen will be the first to get thrown out on her ass.
You won’t even bother to answer my question by the way.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.
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**This space lives rent-free in BMW's head**
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
Was watching the segment on 60 minutes about the WHO and the origins of the virus.
They showed clips where they showed the "foremost experts in the world in infections diseases" when they were traveling last year to Wuhan.
What were they wearing? Full hazmat suits? No!
N95 masks? No!
Double masks?
No!
Just regular "surgical" masks!!!
What does THAT tell you about how contagious they think this thing is?
They showed clips where they showed the "foremost experts in the world in infections diseases" when they were traveling last year to Wuhan.
What were they wearing? Full hazmat suits? No!
N95 masks? No!
Double masks?
No!
Just regular "surgical" masks!!!
What does THAT tell you about how contagious they think this thing is?
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Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
As soon as your GOP brethren stop fucking around and wear their masks.....Matt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:04 pmFor simplification, here is the question for MCRF: So when do we go back to normal?Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:30 pmI’m telling you that if we still have a mask mandate in 2022 Whitmer is a goner.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:16 pmUnless the GOP runs Candice Miller, Whitmer is going nowhere. I feel that by the fall, we will have enough people vaccinated where it will slow down somewhat. And we are going to have businesses that are going to require vaccines for entrance because people will have had the enough of the spread and reinfections. Q supporters/vaccine decliners will be asked to stay home as karma will turn their own words around to bite them in the ass.Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:05 pmSo when do we go back to normal? This is gonna behave like the flu... it’ll just be another thing to catch. We can’t simply take precautions in perpetuity. Society will collapse. People have been more than patient but they won’t take it forever.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pmWe already have had cases of reinfection. The people who got COVID one year ago are at risk now again. Your immunity wears off after a year based on the findings of most virologists (I happen to know one as well). That puts those who contracted COVID a year ago at risk. Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats. Combine that with children who don't know how to wear masks properly and teachers who don't believe in the virus(and fail to properly space students desks far enough apart), and you have a real problem. Add to that the fact you also have plenty who take the bus, and you have plenty who experience 15+ minutes of exposure. With the new variants, that's more than enough time for spread. But of course, I am the one with no facts.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
Gretchen will be the first to get thrown out on her ass.
You won’t even bother to answer my question by the way.
They/them, non-binary and proud.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
Wrong - normal includes not wearing masks. Enough of the partisan bullshit, we're asking for a real answer.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.
**This space lives rent-free in BMW's head**
**This space lives rent-free in BMW's head**
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
Early vaccination numbers would bear this out...MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pmWe already have had cases of reinfection. T Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
13K vaccinated in first three days at Ford Field, mobile sites; 72% White, 14% Black
Detroit News.
I would guess that if you drew a ten mile radius around Ford Field, the population percentages would be just about the opposite of the percentages vaccinated.
Is it truly because the black population is wary of the vaccine or are there other factors at play? Logic would dictate that those at greater risk would be more inclined to get the vaccine.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
Re: WSJ: Lockdowns should not have happened
We want to know when we can be mask free if COVID is like the flu... that is here to stay and there’s nothing we can do but accept it and move on.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:01 amAs soon as your GOP brethren stop fucking around and wear their masks.....Matt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 9:04 pmFor simplification, here is the question for MCRF: So when do we go back to normal?Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 8:30 pmI’m telling you that if we still have a mask mandate in 2022 Whitmer is a goner.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 7:16 pmUnless the GOP runs Candice Miller, Whitmer is going nowhere. I feel that by the fall, we will have enough people vaccinated where it will slow down somewhat. And we are going to have businesses that are going to require vaccines for entrance because people will have had the enough of the spread and reinfections. Q supporters/vaccine decliners will be asked to stay home as karma will turn their own words around to bite them in the ass.Rate This wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:05 pmSo when do we go back to normal? This is gonna behave like the flu... it’ll just be another thing to catch. We can’t simply take precautions in perpetuity. Society will collapse. People have been more than patient but they won’t take it forever.MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 12:56 pmWe already have had cases of reinfection. The people who got COVID one year ago are at risk now again. Your immunity wears off after a year based on the findings of most virologists (I happen to know one as well). That puts those who contracted COVID a year ago at risk. Many of them are people of color who also happen to be wary of vaccines. Those who live closer in proximity are at risk of community spread. So many in the city live in apartment buildings with shared ductwork or 2-5 family flats. Combine that with children who don't know how to wear masks properly and teachers who don't believe in the virus(and fail to properly space students desks far enough apart), and you have a real problem. Add to that the fact you also have plenty who take the bus, and you have plenty who experience 15+ minutes of exposure. With the new variants, that's more than enough time for spread. But of course, I am the one with no facts.bmw wrote: ↑Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:17 amOne step closer to herd immunity. The quicker we get there, the better. And MCRF can argue all he wants that herd immunity is unattainable - I'm not buying it. When you have a vaccine that is 95% effective and a virus that is as contagious as Covid is, we will rocket past the 70% threshold in no time.
Gretchen will be the first to get thrown out on her ass.
You won’t even bother to answer my question by the way.