Some registered account users are experiencing password recognition issues. The issue appears to have been triggered by a PHP update last night. If this is occurring, please try logging in and using the "forgot password?" utility. Bear in mind auto-generated password reset emails may appear in your spam folder. If this does not work, please click the "Contact Us" option near the lower right hand corner of the index page to contact me via email.

Thank you for your patience!
- M.W.

Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Debate and discussion of current events and political issues in the State of Michigan. Be forewarned -- this forum is NOT for the intellectually weak or those of you with thin skins. Don't come crying to me if you become the subject of ridicule. **Board Administrator reserves the right to revoke posting privileges based on my sole discretion**
User avatar
Bryce
Posts: 7178
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:04 pm

Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by Bryce »

Gov. Gretchen Whitmer is pulling back the reins in Michigan's northern regions that have enjoyed looser COVID-19 restrictions but also allowing for the reopening of Detroit's three casinos.
Anyone that doesn't think her majesty's decision to open the Detroit casino's isn't tied directly to the loss of tax revenue for the City, should buy this really nice piece of lakefront property I have for sale in Sanford.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
User avatar
TC Talks
Posts: 12065
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:41 am

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by TC Talks »

The general consensus in Traverse City is good riddance. Go have fun in your casinos.

Most of the cases here in the last two months were in bars or by visitors.
For Kristian Trumpers are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
-Romans 16:18

Posting Content © 2024 TC Talks Holdings LP.
User avatar
Turkeytop
Posts: 9303
Joined: Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:27 pm

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by Turkeytop »

Casinos generate revenue. Ontario green lighted casinos two weeks ago. The casino in our town elected not to open. They say, with the occupancy restrictions, they can't make money.
matt1
Posts: 3219
Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:53 pm

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by matt1 »

Canadian group Trooper did a song called "Money Talks" in 1982 on RCA Records BUT did not charted in U.S. (without lead singer Ra McGuire at the time).
matt1
Posts: 3219
Joined: Sun Apr 24, 2016 12:53 pm

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by matt1 »

Matt
Posts: 11505
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:18 pm
Location: Home of the National Champions

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by Matt »

TC Talks wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:43 pm The general consensus in Traverse City is good riddance. Go have fun in your casinos.

Most of the cases here in the last two months were in bars or by visitors.
Another instance of TCT talking out of his ass. This really changes nothing. People aren't going to stop going up north. Indoor house gatherings cannot be policed, and the state doesn't track the 70% alcohol metric. Also, most bars down here got around the rule with outside seating, even downtown. The rule doesn't apply to breweries, wineries, or distilleries.
This is a pro-Harris/Walz account

"I have to admit - Matt is right." ~bmw
ftballfan
Posts: 930
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:38 pm

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by ftballfan »

Matt wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am
TC Talks wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:43 pm The general consensus in Traverse City is good riddance. Go have fun in your casinos.

Most of the cases here in the last two months were in bars or by visitors.
Another instance of TCT talking out of his ass. This really changes nothing. People aren't going to stop going up north. Indoor house gatherings cannot be policed, and the state doesn't track the 70% alcohol metric. Also, most bars down here got around the rule with outside seating, even downtown. The rule doesn't apply to breweries, wineries, or distilleries.
I would guess a very high percentage of bars in northern Michigan can remain open for indoor service as (a) they hit the 30% food criteria or (b) they are a brewpub, winery, or distillery
Matt
Posts: 11505
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:18 pm
Location: Home of the National Champions

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by Matt »

ftballfan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:28 am
Matt wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am
TC Talks wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:43 pm The general consensus in Traverse City is good riddance. Go have fun in your casinos.

Most of the cases here in the last two months were in bars or by visitors.
Another instance of TCT talking out of his ass. This really changes nothing. People aren't going to stop going up north. Indoor house gatherings cannot be policed, and the state doesn't track the 70% alcohol metric. Also, most bars down here got around the rule with outside seating, even downtown. The rule doesn't apply to breweries, wineries, or distilleries.
I would guess a very high percentage of bars in northern Michigan can remain open for indoor service as (a) they hit the 30% food criteria or (b) they are a brewpub, winery, or distillery
Agreed - I don't think many, if any, will close. The state doesn't even collect the data, so businesses would be self selecting to close.
This is a pro-Harris/Walz account

"I have to admit - Matt is right." ~bmw
User avatar
TC Talks
Posts: 12065
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:41 am

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by TC Talks »

Matt wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:38 am
ftballfan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:28 am
Matt wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am
TC Talks wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:43 pm The general consensus in Traverse City is good riddance. Go have fun in your casinos.

Most of the cases here in the last two months were in bars or by visitors.
Another instance of TCT talking out of his ass. This really changes nothing. People aren't going to stop going up north. Indoor house gatherings cannot be policed, and the state doesn't track the 70% alcohol metric. Also, most bars down here got around the rule with outside seating, even downtown. The rule doesn't apply to breweries, wineries, or distilleries.
I would guess a very high percentage of bars in northern Michigan can remain open for indoor service as (a) they hit the 30% food criteria or (b) they are a brewpub, winery, or distillery
Agreed - I don't think many, if any, will close. The state doesn't even collect the data, so businesses would be self selecting to close.
I have tracked the origins of every covid case in Grand Traverse County. There's a group of about 70 community leaders who do this several times a week.

23% of all our cases came from 6 bars; Low Bar, Kilkinneys, Bootleggers, Union Street Station, Dillengers and The Parlor. They all fall within these closure guidelines. These aren't the breweries or wineries, these are the "cheap alcohol targeted at younger patrons" establishments. I will remind you in our County, the health department takes a picture and the prosecutor takes over from there. The police are not involved in executive order enforcement.

We don't care if a middle-aged couple wants to come up for the weekend, because they tend to be responsible. But bachelorette parties and young douchebags can stay home. The Torch Lake sandbar is another type of gathering that will be limited now.
For Kristian Trumpers are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
-Romans 16:18

Posting Content © 2024 TC Talks Holdings LP.
Matt
Posts: 11505
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:18 pm
Location: Home of the National Champions

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by Matt »

TC Talks wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:51 am
Matt wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:38 am
ftballfan wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:28 am
Matt wrote: Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 am
TC Talks wrote: Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:43 pm The general consensus in Traverse City is good riddance. Go have fun in your casinos.

Most of the cases here in the last two months were in bars or by visitors.
Another instance of TCT talking out of his ass. This really changes nothing. People aren't going to stop going up north. Indoor house gatherings cannot be policed, and the state doesn't track the 70% alcohol metric. Also, most bars down here got around the rule with outside seating, even downtown. The rule doesn't apply to breweries, wineries, or distilleries.
I would guess a very high percentage of bars in northern Michigan can remain open for indoor service as (a) they hit the 30% food criteria or (b) they are a brewpub, winery, or distillery
Agreed - I don't think many, if any, will close. The state doesn't even collect the data, so businesses would be self selecting to close.
I have tracked the origins of every covid case in Grand Traverse County. There's a group of about 70 community leaders who do this several times a week.

23% of all our cases came from 6 bars; Low Bar, Kilkinneys, Bootleggers, Union Street Station, Dillengers and The Parlor. They all fall within these closure guidelines. These aren't the breweries or wineries, these are the "cheap alcohol targeted at younger patrons" establishments. I will remind you in our County, the health department takes a picture and the prosecutor takes over from there. The police are not involved in executive order enforcement.

We don't care if a middle-aged couple wants to come up for the weekend, because they tend to be responsible. But bachelorette parties and young douchebags can stay home. The Torch Lake sandbar is another type of gathering that will be limited now.
I'm not familiar with any of those places, but do they have outdoor space available? If so, they're not really impacted. Torch Lake (last I checked) was outside. I don't see how indoor limitations apply. I also doubt the Antrim County Sheriff marine division is going to be interested in being the fun police.
This is a pro-Harris/Walz account

"I have to admit - Matt is right." ~bmw
User avatar
TC Talks
Posts: 12065
Joined: Wed Oct 26, 2005 2:41 am

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by TC Talks »

None of those places have outdoor seating. They are all dark with no windows, several are in basements.

The Antrim sheriff has actually been quite responsive to covid enforcement. The department has a lot of pressure from both business groups and the Health department's in the area. The way we see things up here, there is no economic benefit for places that create covid-19 outbreaks.

If you take a walk down our Front Street, you quickly learn that we take the masks seriously, and you won't get very far without one.
For Kristian Trumpers are not serving our Lord Christ, but their own appetites. By smooth talk and flattery they deceive the minds of naive people.
-Romans 16:18

Posting Content © 2024 TC Talks Holdings LP.
Matt
Posts: 11505
Joined: Mon Dec 06, 2004 12:18 pm
Location: Home of the National Champions

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by Matt »

Bab's in Ann Arbor didn't have outdoor space, but they created sidewalk and parallel parking space after the rule came out. Would any of these places have that option? I'm guessing from your description that the places you mentioned are less Bab's and more Rick's or Skeeps.

Is Antrim actually patrolling the water?
This is a pro-Harris/Walz account

"I have to admit - Matt is right." ~bmw
ADD in TC
Posts: 189
Joined: Thu Jul 22, 2010 7:54 pm

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by ADD in TC »

-I don't think many, if any, will close. The state doesn't even collect the data, so businesses would be self selecting to close.
Judging from various news sources,it would appear that the only bar here in the greater Traverse City area that is being forced to close is the Union Street Station.All others,to the best of my understanding,are technically able to stay open.
User avatar
Bryce
Posts: 7178
Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 12:04 pm

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by Bryce »

Union Street Station could remain open too. Change their product offering to a bowl of popcorn/bag of chips and drink combo and boom, you just hit 30% food.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
ftballfan
Posts: 930
Joined: Thu Sep 17, 2009 6:38 pm

Re: Money Talks, Bullshit Walks

Unread post by ftballfan »

Bryce wrote: Fri Jul 31, 2020 2:43 pm Union Street Station could remain open too. Change their product offering to a bowl of popcorn/bag of chips and drink combo and boom, you just hit 30% food.
Or add potato wedges and call them "Whitmer Wedges"
Post Reply