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Owosso barber

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Walter Cronkite was a great old-school broadcaster and reporter, but his most famous moment outside of the Kennedy assassination was when he gave his opinion of the then-current state of the Vietnam War. He made no secret that it was anything but that.

The line between telling the facts and conveying an opinion in news reporting isn't respected as much as it should be. However, with every side yelling "unfair" at the drop of a mic, it's not always easy to get the facts in as timely a manner as news organizations want them.

In any event, the barber in question has his attorneys to claim unfair treatment at the times he isn't doing it for himself. The barber has implied that he's old and doesn't really care about his health any longer, and by what's going on, the health of any customers he can get, either.

I guess he isn't making much money from all of the books he's written. I'm surprised that aspect of his life isn't getting much mention. The "poor, beleaguered, picked-on old man" image is apparently selling better than the books right now. Never mind that he's also disregarding the current health crisis and the directives of the state in order to make a buck or two.

And, all the sheriffs I've seen that are claiming they won't enforce portions of the current shut-down orders are Republicans. Partisan law enforcement makes about as much sense as partisan judiciary, but it's as ingrained as the supposed need to carry guns into the state Capitol. You never know when a random desperado might go nuts there, needing a citizen Wyatt Earp to save the day.
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Music: agree with the viewpoint that partisan law enforcement and judiciary not making much sense. A nonpartisan merit based system seems to be overdue for appointing these positions. But since that change would need to come from partisan lawmakers, that’s highly unlikely,

Lovin: Scott Livingston definitely had a role in Neille’s promotion (along with regional manager Lame Michaelson.) That’s how they maintain control over the local newsrooms. They apparently tired of Schramm objecting to the lame gimmicks and corporate must runs that prevented the station from growing ratings. Not everyone loved Schramm... but he helped moved 25-66 out of the Barrington days. Now we’re stuck with a corporate mouthpiece news manager that no one respects and who has no vision or clue how to improve things. Best thing for the new GM is the clean house and put in all new managers.
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Musicrewired wrote: Thu May 14, 2020 4:35 pm Walter Cronkite was a great old-school broadcaster and reporter, but his most famous moment outside of the Kennedy assassination was when he gave his opinion of the then-current state of the Vietnam War. He made no secret that it was anything but that.

The line between telling the facts and conveying an opinion in news reporting isn't respected as much as it should be. However, with every side yelling "unfair" at the drop of a mic, it's not always easy to get the facts in as timely a manner as news organizations want them.

In any event, the barber in question has his attorneys to claim unfair treatment at the times he isn't doing it for himself. The barber has implied that he's old and doesn't really care about his health any longer, and by what's going on, the health of any customers he can get, either.

I guess he isn't making much money from all of the books he's written. I'm surprised that aspect of his life isn't getting much mention. The "poor, beleaguered, picked-on old man" image is apparently selling better than the books right now. Never mind that he's also disregarding the current health crisis and the directives of the state in order to make a buck or two.

And, all the sheriffs I've seen that are claiming they won't enforce portions of the current shut-down orders are Republicans. Partisan law enforcement makes about as much sense as partisan judiciary, but it's as ingrained as the supposed need to carry guns into the state Capitol. You never know when a random desperado might go nuts there, needing a citizen Wyatt Earp to save the day.
Wrong. The Genesee County Sheriff is a Democrat: https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 204277002/

Its interesting you don't malign the governor for acting unilaterally partisan while she stomps on the constitution.
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Unconstitutional? It's not.

On March 10, 2020, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services identified the first two presumptive-positive cases of COVID-19 in Michigan. On that same day, I issued Executive Order 2020-4. This order declared a state of emergency across the state of Michigan under section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963, the Emergency Management Act, 1976 PA 390, as amended, MCL 30.401 et seq., and the Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945, 1945 PA 302, as amended, MCL 10.31 et seq.

In the three weeks that followed, the virus spread across Michigan, bringing deaths in the hundreds, confirmed cases in the thousands, and deep disruption to this state’s economy, homes, and educational, civic, social, and religious institutions. On April 1, 2020, in response to the widespread and severe health, economic, and social harms posed by the COVID-19 pandemic, I issued Executive Order 2020-33. This order expanded on Executive Order 2020-4 and declared both a state of emergency and a state of disaster across the State of Michigan under section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963, the Emergency Management Act, and the Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945.



The Emergency Management Act vests the governor with broad powers and duties to “cop[e] with dangers to this state or the people of this state presented by a disaster or emergency,” which the governor may implement through “executive orders, proclamations, and directives having the force and effect of law.” MCL 30.403(1)-(2). Similarly, the Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945 provides that, after declaring a state of emergency, “the governor may promulgate reasonable orders, rules, and regulations as he or she considers necessary to protect life and property or to bring the emergency situation within the affected area under control.” MCL 10.31(1).
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Midlandguy wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 11:13 am Unconstitutional? It's not.

On March 10, 2020, the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services identified the first two presumptive-positive cases of COVID-19 in Michigan. On that same day, I issued Executive Order 2020-4. This order declared a state of emergency across the state of Michigan under section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963, the Emergency Management Act, 1976 PA 390, as amended, MCL 30.401 et seq., and the Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945, 1945 PA 302, as amended, MCL 10.31 et seq.

In the three weeks that followed, the virus spread across Michigan, bringing deaths in the hundreds, confirmed cases in the thousands, and deep disruption to this state’s economy, homes, and educational, civic, social, and religious institutions. On April 1, 2020, in response to the widespread and severe health, economic, and social harms posed by the COVID-19 pandemic, I issued Executive Order 2020-33. This order expanded on Executive Order 2020-4 and declared both a state of emergency and a state of disaster across the State of Michigan under section 1 of article 5 of the Michigan Constitution of 1963, the Emergency Management Act, and the Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945.



The Emergency Management Act vests the governor with broad powers and duties to “cop[e] with dangers to this state or the people of this state presented by a disaster or emergency,” which the governor may implement through “executive orders, proclamations, and directives having the force and effect of law.” MCL 30.403(1)-(2). Similarly, the Emergency Powers of the Governor Act of 1945 provides that, after declaring a state of emergency, “the governor may promulgate reasonable orders, rules, and regulations as he or she considers necessary to protect life and property or to bring the emergency situation within the affected area under control.” MCL 10.31(1).
The Michigan Supreme Court will have the final word on that. Quoting Whitmer is not exactly proof of constitutionality. Completely ignoring the legislature is not constitutional.
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She is attempting to keep us safe.

Here is the law:

30.403 Responsibility of governor; executive orders, proclamations, and directives; declaration, duration, and termination of state of disaster or state of emergency; contents and dissemination of executive order or proclamation.

Sec. 3.
(1) The governor is responsible for coping with dangers to this state or the people of this state presented by a disaster or emergency.
(2) The governor may issue executive orders, proclamations, and directives having the force and effect of law to implement this act. Except as provided in section 7(2), an executive order, proclamation, or directive may be amended or rescinded by the governor.
(3) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of disaster if he or she finds a disaster has occurred or the threat of a disaster exists. The state of disaster shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the disaster has been dealt with to the extent that disaster conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of disaster has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of disaster terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of disaster for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the disaster, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the disaster, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of disaster. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the disaster prevent or impede its prompt filing.
(4) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of emergency if he or she finds that an emergency has occurred or that the threat of an emergency exists. The state of emergency shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the emergency has been dealt with to the extent that emergency conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of emergency has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of emergency terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of emergency for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the emergency, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the emergency, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of emergency. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the emergency prevent or impede its prompt filing.
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Midlandguy wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 11:39 am She is attempting to keep us safe.

Here is the law:

30.403 Responsibility of governor; executive orders, proclamations, and directives; declaration, duration, and termination of state of disaster or state of emergency; contents and dissemination of executive order or proclamation.

Sec. 3.
(1) The governor is responsible for coping with dangers to this state or the people of this state presented by a disaster or emergency.
(2) The governor may issue executive orders, proclamations, and directives having the force and effect of law to implement this act. Except as provided in section 7(2), an executive order, proclamation, or directive may be amended or rescinded by the governor.
(3) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of disaster if he or she finds a disaster has occurred or the threat of a disaster exists. The state of disaster shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the disaster has been dealt with to the extent that disaster conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of disaster has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of disaster terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of disaster for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the disaster, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the disaster, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of disaster. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the disaster prevent or impede its prompt filing.
(4) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of emergency if he or she finds that an emergency has occurred or that the threat of an emergency exists. The state of emergency shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the emergency has been dealt with to the extent that emergency conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of emergency has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of emergency terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of emergency for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the emergency, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the emergency, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of emergency. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the emergency prevent or impede its prompt filing.
No, she's on a power trip.
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Matt wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 1:22 pm
Midlandguy wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 11:39 am She is attempting to keep us safe.

Here is the law:

30.403 Responsibility of governor; executive orders, proclamations, and directives; declaration, duration, and termination of state of disaster or state of emergency; contents and dissemination of executive order or proclamation.

Sec. 3.
(1) The governor is responsible for coping with dangers to this state or the people of this state presented by a disaster or emergency.
(2) The governor may issue executive orders, proclamations, and directives having the force and effect of law to implement this act. Except as provided in section 7(2), an executive order, proclamation, or directive may be amended or rescinded by the governor.
(3) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of disaster if he or she finds a disaster has occurred or the threat of a disaster exists. The state of disaster shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the disaster has been dealt with to the extent that disaster conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of disaster has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of disaster terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of disaster for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the disaster, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the disaster, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of disaster. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the disaster prevent or impede its prompt filing.
(4) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of emergency if he or she finds that an emergency has occurred or that the threat of an emergency exists. The state of emergency shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the emergency has been dealt with to the extent that emergency conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of emergency has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of emergency terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of emergency for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the emergency, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the emergency, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of emergency. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the emergency prevent or impede its prompt filing.
No, she's on a power trip.
Spoken like a typical RePuke Whitmer hater.

Poll earlier this week said 72% of Michiganders support what she’s doing. It’s just the neo-con vocal minority who has problems with her protecting the public health of residents. Reminds me of the kid or two in kindergarten that wouldn’t follow the rules, resulting in a shorter recess for everyone in class
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Midlandguy wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 11:39 am She is attempting to keep us safe.

Here is the law:

30.403 Responsibility of governor; executive orders, proclamations, and directives; declaration, duration, and termination of state of disaster or state of emergency; contents and dissemination of executive order or proclamation.

Sec. 3.
(1) The governor is responsible for coping with dangers to this state or the people of this state presented by a disaster or emergency.
(2) The governor may issue executive orders, proclamations, and directives having the force and effect of law to implement this act. Except as provided in section 7(2), an executive order, proclamation, or directive may be amended or rescinded by the governor.
(3) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of disaster if he or she finds a disaster has occurred or the threat of a disaster exists. The state of disaster shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the disaster has been dealt with to the extent that disaster conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of disaster has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of disaster terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of disaster for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the disaster, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the disaster, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of disaster. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the disaster prevent or impede its prompt filing.
(4) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of emergency if he or she finds that an emergency has occurred or that the threat of an emergency exists. The state of emergency shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the emergency has been dealt with to the extent that emergency conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of emergency has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of emergency terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of emergency for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the emergency, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the emergency, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of emergency. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the emergency prevent or impede its prompt filing.
Are you suggesting that we need someone to save us from ourselves? Because it sounds like that's what you're saying. Not everyone in Michigan is an idiot, a child, or a moron who posts crap like you do. Let's think of some former world leaders who attempted to save the people from themselves.... Anyone want to stat naming them?
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That's exactly what I'm saying. This virus is dangerous and will not simply go away. I pray that you don't get it.
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Realist wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 9:23 pm
Matt wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 1:22 pm
Midlandguy wrote: Sat May 16, 2020 11:39 am She is attempting to keep us safe.

Here is the law:

30.403 Responsibility of governor; executive orders, proclamations, and directives; declaration, duration, and termination of state of disaster or state of emergency; contents and dissemination of executive order or proclamation.

Sec. 3.
(1) The governor is responsible for coping with dangers to this state or the people of this state presented by a disaster or emergency.
(2) The governor may issue executive orders, proclamations, and directives having the force and effect of law to implement this act. Except as provided in section 7(2), an executive order, proclamation, or directive may be amended or rescinded by the governor.
(3) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of disaster if he or she finds a disaster has occurred or the threat of a disaster exists. The state of disaster shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the disaster has been dealt with to the extent that disaster conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of disaster has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of disaster terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of disaster for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the disaster, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the disaster, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of disaster. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the disaster prevent or impede its prompt filing.
(4) The governor shall, by executive order or proclamation, declare a state of emergency if he or she finds that an emergency has occurred or that the threat of an emergency exists. The state of emergency shall continue until the governor finds that the threat or danger has passed, the emergency has been dealt with to the extent that emergency conditions no longer exist, or until the declared state of emergency has been in effect for 28 days. After 28 days, the governor shall issue an executive order or proclamation declaring the state of emergency terminated, unless a request by the governor for an extension of the state of emergency for a specific number of days is approved by resolution of both houses of the legislature. An executive order or proclamation issued pursuant to this subsection shall indicate the nature of the emergency, the area or areas threatened, the conditions causing the emergency, and the conditions permitting the termination of the state of emergency. An executive order or proclamation shall be disseminated promptly by means calculated to bring its contents to the attention of the general public and shall be promptly filed with the emergency management division of the department and the secretary of state, unless circumstances attendant upon the emergency prevent or impede its prompt filing.
No, she's on a power trip.
Spoken like a typical RePuke Whitmer hater.

Poll earlier this week said 72% of Michiganders support what she’s doing. It’s just the neo-con vocal minority who has problems with her protecting the public health of residents. Reminds me of the kid or two in kindergarten that wouldn’t follow the rules, resulting in a shorter recess for everyone in class
Ugh. Go away stalker.
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"There are none so blind than those who will not see."
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Matt, I’m your stalker? :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin :rollin

God, what’s bigger? Your ego or your narcissism? Just like your hero tRump
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R Bedell wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 9:27 am Look in the mirror. LOL
This deadly virus is killing people. I am in the high risk group. COPD (I'm on oxygen) and diabetes.
I am staying home as much as possible, only going out occasionally for groceries and to the pharmacy.
My spouse cuts my hair and I'm living off my savings.
I understand the need to keep the population safe.
You may have the "right" to go anywhere you like. You do not have the right to knowingly infect me with a disease because you refuse to follow the guidelines set forth (legally) by the Governor.
It's all about protecting others from this horrible disease.
I'll continue to follow the advice of the medical professionals AND Governor Whitmer.
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Midlandguy wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 10:54 am
R Bedell wrote: Sun May 17, 2020 9:27 am Look in the mirror. LOL
This deadly virus is killing people. I am in the high risk group. COPD (I'm on oxygen) and diabetes.
I am staying home as much as possible, only going out occasionally for groceries and to the pharmacy.
My spouse cuts my hair and I'm living off my savings.
I understand the need to keep the population safe.
You may have the "right" to go anywhere you like. You do not have the right to knowingly infect me with a disease because you refuse to follow the guidelines set forth (legally) by the Governor.
It's all about protecting others from this horrible disease.
I'll continue to follow the advice of the medical professionals AND Governor Whitmer.
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