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State of the State Address 2020: Anyone Watching?

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Regarding fixing the roads.
A tax hike would pass IF it only went to the roads.

The voters rejected Proposal 1 in 2015 because just over half of the tax revenue raised by Proposal 1 would of actually gone toward road funding. 40% would of went toward schools, the rest to revenue sharing with local governments, and other projects unrelated to roads. Yet it was being hailed as a "Fix the Roads" tax.

And the same with Whitmer's proposed tax hike. 40 percent Of Whitmer’s tax hike won’t support roads. Instead, it would replace current transportation budget dollars that would be redirected to pay for other state government spending.

I think if Lansing could come up with a tax that would ONLY go to fixing roads, it would pass.
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Stop it, stop it - you're making sense.
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Gov. Whitmer gave a great speech, that is why they chose her to be the rebuttal to President Ass Clown's "speech".

Gov. Whitmer came up with proposals for road funding solutions (Synder and the GOP before Whitmer did zilch). The GOP controlled legislature is determined to make it look like Gretchen's big campaign promise to fix the roads is failing, when its because they refuse to work with her on a solution. I'm not saying they have to accept her proposal as is, I'm all for compromise, that is bi-partisanship, and the GOP has no interest in that.

Michigan does not fund its roads enough and they suck as a result, its that simple. Things cost money people! Just compare our road funding to other states. You can't complain if you are not for any solutions.
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MWmetalhead wrote: Sun Feb 02, 2020 12:13 pm The below presentation deck is a little over a year old, but I found the data within it to be quite informative nonetheless:

https://www.house.mi.gov/hfa/PDF/Briefi ... y18-19.pdf
If I'm reading that correctly, we've been adding quite a bit in funding to MDOT over the last couple years, much more than the ~$700M that we're talking about with the bonds.

I'd really like to see some data on efforts MDOT is pushing that makes more effective use of the billions that they're already getting.

I see a lot of $$$ going to contractors.... any tips on which ones to invest in, or are those ones all privately owned?? I imagine their margins will be looking even better for the next several years.
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I hope you all enjoy Michigan's second season, AKA "construction".

What is not needed is more construction, it's more central road planning. Complete reconstruction often takes too long hampering traffic and delaying road repairs where there are really needed. You can't close two adjacent roads, ever! These dummies can't even get this basic planning right.

Roads can be ground up and repaved the same day, at least for asphalt. Often you only need to repave portions of roads where heaving or potholes have occurred.

High spots need to be ground off and cracks need to be resealed every spring and fall.

I seen roads that looked like patchwork quilt, but were smooth. This because they resealed them and filled and ran a roller over it, not just use cold patch. This was in New Brunswick Canada.
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audiophile wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:07 am I hope you all enjoy Michigan's second season, AKA "construction".

What is not needed is more construction, it's more central road planning. Complete reconstruction often takes too long hampering traffic and delaying road repairs where there are really needed. You can't close two adjacent roads, ever! These dummies can't even get this basic planning right.

Roads can be ground up and repaved the same day, at least for asphalt. Often you only need to repave portions of roads where heaving or potholes have occurred.

High spots need to be ground off and cracks need to be resealed every spring and fall.

I seen roads that looked like patchwork quilt, but were smooth. This because they resealed them and filled and ran a roller over it, not just use cold patch. This was in New Brunswick Canada.
After 25-30 years roads need to be rebuilt. If you make them out of concrete they’ll last longer. Those overnight road jobs don’t last very long.
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Concrete is ideal, but not where the roads are constantly salted.

https://www.askthebuilder.com/salt-damage-concrete/
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According to this report, taxpayers will be paying for these bond for 45 years.

Now, didn't her plan to increase the gas tax .45 cents suppose to raise $3.5 billion? Either way she's getting $3.5 billion. That said, we'll be paying it either way and since she chose to go the bond route it will not fix local roads but had that gas tax been enacted it WOULD have covered local roads. Plus out of state motorists would be helping footing the bill.

https://mightymichigan.com/whitmer-borr ... lawmakers/
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TheForce wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 9:55 am According to this report, taxpayers will be paying for these bond for 45 years.

Now, didn't her plan to increase the gas tax .45 cents suppose to raise $3.5 billion? Either way she's getting $3.5 billion. That said, we'll be paying it either way and since she chose to go the bond route it will not fix local roads but had that gas tax been enacted it WOULD have covered local roads. Plus out of state motorists would be helping footing the bill.

https://mightymichigan.com/whitmer-borr ... lawmakers/
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