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Texas mass shooting

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When it comes to guns The United States of America needs to go the way of all other countries where English is the first language. And even dome of the other industrialized nations where other languages are first.

Same with health care for all.

Frequent massive fatal shootings and millions without health care are two unique American problems that we can’t seem to solve - even though we stand alone in this regard among the other industrialized nations of the world.
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That class of rifle needs to be banned. TSA confiscated 2 rocket launchers this week from the suitcases of recent veterans. If we can ban rocket launchers, we can ban assault class guns as well. The Second Amendment wasn't drawn that specifically, that is policy.

Both shooters were in body armor ready for a fight. This wasn't some argument between two people.
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TC, you left out the launchers were spent, not capable of being used as weapons. Brought home as mementos by armed forces members and the TSA has said they will ship them to the guys who brought them home. I agree with MW that we need to enhance background checks and like the idea of continuing them after the purchase as people change, their situation changes and their mental health can change. A member of my staff plays in a band that was playing near the Dayton shooting.
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Just my 2 cents - the time immediately after mass shootings is NOT the time to have a rational debate about gun control. Emotions are running too high to have such a debate. Calling anyone not guilty of a mass shooting "complicit" because of his/her belief on policy is in the same camp of saying "you have blood on your hands" and is exactly the kind of rhetoric I'm talking about here.
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MW, first the laws on the books need to be enforced. new laws won't be enforced any better. Second, one word, Chicago. Some of the toughest laws on the books and all you have to do is read the news every Monday to see how deadly the last weekend was. Knee jerk reactions will solve nothing. TAKE AWAY ALL THE GUNS! Not gonna work because those intent on using them for crime will still have access to them and nothing can stop that. So before news laws that don't work are made, try enforcing the ones we already have.
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bmw wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:22 am Just my 2 cents - the time immediately after mass shootings is NOT the time to have a rational debate about gun control. Emotions are running too high to have such a debate. Calling anyone not guilty of a mass shooting "complicit" because of his/her belief on policy is in the same camp of saying "you have blood on your hands" and is exactly the kind of rhetoric I'm talking about here.
Mass shootings happen with such regularity, it will never be the proper time to have a rational debate.

Thoughts and prayers, folks.

Thoughts and prayers.
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MW, I agree with you completely on the metal health screenings and and doing away with middle men. New taxes on firearms and ammo purchases makes total sense. As for BMW saying waiting a short time till cooler heads prevail I also agree with. In my first post I said a member of my staff is in a band that way playing in Dayton last night. Just got off the phone with him setting up an interview for my news department and found out his band was on stage inside the club where the shooting happened. So that hits damn close to home. I support the right to bear arms but hearing a guy I have worked with for more than 12 years almost bought it has me worked the fuck up. So I took several deep breaths, put on my bosses hat and started getting my news team working on Sunday to get this covered.
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MWmetalhead wrote: Sun Aug 04, 2019 10:40 am So when IS the time to do something policy wise? Six months? Twelve months? Two years? Ten years?

Seems like NOTHING has been done despite numerous such shootings occurring within the last year alone.

Delay = higher risk for more & more of these shootings to occur!!
Not in the hours immediately following. This is a very emotionally-charged issue and sound policy generally isn't a byproduct of an emotionally-charged debate. The risk of laws which may result from knee-jerk reactions outweighs the protections offered under the Second Amendment, IMO.

If you want to say that makes me complicit in these shootings, then so be it. I can't help it that people seemingly quickly lose interest in having such debates during times of peace. That is a societal problem that cannot be fixed by the government - you can't force people to take interest in certain topics, but that doesn't justify knee-jerk policies either.

Take drunk drivers for example. Do you support prohibition? No? So does that make you complicit in the innocent life taken EVERY 48 MINUTES in this country by a drunk driver? See how easy that game is to play? This is also a perfect example of no urgency by the public to do anything about the problem. I don't understand why guns are so different.
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Also, putting guns and mental health aside, has anybody here stopped to seriously consider what other factors have led to our fairly recent uptick in gun violence? I don't think it is any coincidence that the uptick began around the time of the invention of the internet and 24/7 cable news. A tiny but significant number of sick people in our country crave fame and legacy, both of which are easily achieved thanks to 24/7 cable news and social media.
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