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MI GOP primary plan favoring party loyalists

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MI GOP primary plan favoring party loyalists

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I don't quite understand why they are doing this, but it seems like it will definitely drive a wedge in the state party.
LANSING — Michigan Republican Party officials want to award most of the state’s presidential nominating delegates to the winner of 13 separate district caucuses, a move that would minimize the importance of the public primary four days earlier.

The Michigan GOP’s state central committee is set to vote Saturday on the plan as outlined in a “resolution of intent” obtained by Bridge MIchigan. The Detroit News first reported on the document Friday.

The plan, according to the resolution, is a response to a new law adopted by the Democratic-led Legislature moving the state’s presidential primary to Feb. 27, an earlier date than years past that would violate Republican National Committee rules for the state GOP.

If approved, the plan would see Michigan Republicans award 10 delegates to the candidate who wins the Feb. 27 primary, which the state party would formally do through a separate resolution designed to avoid any RNC penalties.

Thirty-nine delegates would be awarded based on results of GOP caucus meetings in each of Michigans’s thirteen congressional districts on March 2. Three others would be decided by Michigan’s elected Republican National Committee members.

The hybrid plan is “designed to provide for representation of voters, maximize participation in the Michigan Presidential Candidate Rally by candidates and the base, provide for maximum county and district involvement in the process, provide for a delegate selection process that the RNC will not penalize, provide for a process that minimizes any election fraud that could impact on Presidential candidate selection, to restore Michigan’s full count of delegates and provides for the certainty of how electors will vote in the RNC convention in an apportioned manner,” according to the resolution.

The Michigan Republican Party, operating under new chair Kristina Karamo, did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the “resolution of intent” or pending central committee vote, which aims to bind the state party to the presidential delegate plan.

The plan represents a major shift for the Michigan GOP, which for decades has awarded all of its delegates to the national presidential nominating convention to the winner of the state’s primary, which is open to all voters.

Instead, most of the delegates would be decided by a vote of party loyalists.

County-level GOP parties would nominate members to the thirteen district caucuses, each of which would award three delegates to the first candidate to win a majority, with a run-off possible.

In a recent Zoom call with GOP activists, Michigan RNC Committeeman Rob Steele said Karamo and other state party officials had met with RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel as they developed the plan.

The Michigan GOP would lose 43 of its 55 delegates to the national convention if they relied exclusively on the results of a Feb. 27 primary, as called for under a law passed by the Democraticled Legislature, Steele said.

The state’s presidential primary date is not yet set in stone, however.

The Legislature voted to move up the contest, typically held the second week in March, but would have to adjourn by the end of November for the new law to take effect by the proposed Feb. 27 contest.
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Update: https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... chigan-gop

The 39 that would be allocated based on caucus meetings remains intact, while up to the other 16 will be based on statewide primary winner.

As far as driving a wedge in the party? Ohhh, yeah. Between those who would favor candidates not named Trump and those who are put off by this not-exactly-transparent plan (I'm seeing people say there was little-to-no notice from the party ahead of Saturday), there's plenty of reason for their side to not be happy with this arrangement.

As far as why they're doing this - this effectively amounts to a Hail Mary in a bid to dodge the delegate penalty, through a means that they themselves control rather than through waiting to see if early adjournment does come to pass or not (Karamo has since confirmed that not having to rely on early adjournment was indeed a motive). So...that much, I understand why, from their perspective - because the choice is simple: Do Something or Do Nothing. When Do Nothing has a high likelihood of conceding delegates to the penalty, it makes Do Something the obvious pick.

As far as this being the Do Something that they're rolling with? That one's still a head-scratcher.
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Mike wrote: Tue Jun 13, 2023 1:05 am Update: https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... chigan-gop

The 39 that would be allocated based on caucus meetings remains intact, while up to the other 16 will be based on statewide primary winner.

As far as driving a wedge in the party? Ohhh, yeah. Between those who would favor candidates not named Trump and those who are put off by this not-exactly-transparent plan (I'm seeing people say there was little-to-no notice from the party ahead of Saturday), there's plenty of reason for their side to not be happy with this arrangement.

As far as why they're doing this - this effectively amounts to a Hail Mary in a bid to dodge the delegate penalty, through a means that they themselves control rather than through waiting to see if early adjournment does come to pass or not (Karamo has since confirmed that not having to rely on early adjournment was indeed a motive). So...that much, I understand why, from their perspective - because the choice is simple: Do Something or Do Nothing. When Do Nothing has a high likelihood of conceding delegates to the penalty, it makes Do Something the obvious pick.

As far as this being the Do Something that they're rolling with? That one's still a head-scratcher.
Of course they could just go with February 27th… but that might piss off Idaho or something…
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The primary winner should take all and no caucuses this is a bad plan since the primary doesn't really count which isn't right. Anyone but Trump or Biden in 2024. Karomo sucks she must go as MI GOP Chairwoman.
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MWmetalhead wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:51 pm It is certainly possible state law precludes the GOP from holding a primary (distinct and separate from the Feb. 27 date) in early March. The state party doesn't want to suffer a massive delegate penalty if it were to award all delegates via a February contest.

Really, what's unreasonable here is the national party's rules moreso than the state party's decision. Given the restrictions imposed by the national party, I can understand why the state party made this decision.
The biggest problem here is the taxpayers of Michigan have to pay for this primary, that will soon mean NOTHING to he/she who might be nominated. You wanna do it this way, Karamo, spend your own money.
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FakeAndyStuart wrote: Sun Jun 18, 2023 8:35 am
MWmetalhead wrote: Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:51 pm It is certainly possible state law precludes the GOP from holding a primary (distinct and separate from the Feb. 27 date) in early March. The state party doesn't want to suffer a massive delegate penalty if it were to award all delegates via a February contest.

Really, what's unreasonable here is the national party's rules moreso than the state party's decision. Given the restrictions imposed by the national party, I can understand why the state party made this decision.
The biggest problem here is the taxpayers of Michigan have to pay for this primary, that will soon mean NOTHING to he/she who might be nominated. You wanna do it this way, Karamo, spend your own money.
What money? LOL! :rollin
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This only opens the door to more GOP infighting. I say “Go for it, boys!”
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