Governor Whitmer strengthens Executive Order on masks

[TC Talks]

I'll bite, lots of health requirements are federal mandated or incentivized by funding, why can't they?

Seat belt use or the drinking age are probably the closest comparisons. Neither are federally mandated, but both are strongly incentivized through federal funding. How do you do that for short term gain? What are the long term consequences?

I can think of lots of states that will need federal help in the next few years. Mask bonus?

It's a (hopefully) short term issue. How do you legally do it?

The same way Dept of Ed or Dept of Commerce funds are doled out. Policy.

[Bryce]

The issue is that these folks are being cnatched up with no explanation... thrown into a van... taken to a courthouse... thrown in a cell... read their Miranda rights... asked if they want to talk and released if they say no. Then given no record that it happened.

Yup, got that.

Probable cause is a requirement of a detainment or arrest. It’s not optional and no department can subvert the 4th amendment just because it’s inconvenient to anyone’s kabuki theater agenda.

Yup, got that.

And yes, yes they can... CIA does it all the time, so does DHS and even the FBI gets in on the fun once in a while.

According to the Patriot Act, people SUSPECTED of domestic terrorism, even U.S. Citizens, can be captured and detained for seven days.

But they aren’t saying domestic terrorism... it’s something vague about protecting federal property. Then they are seen blocks and blocks away grabbing people. That’s where the problem lies. Nobody is talking about terrorism here.

Not to you or the media they aren't, but you can bet your ass they are using that terminology with the people they take in.
It's sort of like local cops not knowing exactly what to charge someone with so they call it a "Disorderly". On the federal level, you want to take someone in, suspect them of terrorism. And, technically, if you are trying to burn a federal building or attacking federal law enforcement officers, you could be a terrorist.

[Bryce]

It was also stated very clearly when the Patroit Act was passed that this type of thing was not going to happen. This will have ramifications.

Yeah!

Ramifications...


Are you going to put it in his "permanent record?"



Maybe in your little circle, the rest of us applaud what is happening.

I thought you loved Marxism and Communism. This is the exact shit that happens every day under either one of those philosophy. Except people don't have to actually destroy or attack anything. They just have to say it.

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The issue is that these folks are being cnatched up with no explanation... thrown into a van... taken to a courthouse... thrown in a cell... read their Miranda rights... asked if they want to talk and released if they say no. Then given no record that it happened.

Yup, got that.

Probable cause is a requirement of a detainment or arrest. It’s not optional and no department can subvert the 4th amendment just because it’s inconvenient to anyone’s kabuki theater agenda.

Yup, got that.

And yes, yes they can... CIA does it all the time, so does DHS and even the FBI gets in on the fun once in a while.

According to the Patriot Act, people SUSPECTED of domestic terrorism, even U.S. Citizens, can be captured and detained for seven days.

But they aren’t saying domestic terrorism... it’s something vague about protecting federal property. Then they are seen blocks and blocks away grabbing people. That’s where the problem lies. Nobody is talking about terrorism here.

Not to you or the media they aren't, but you can bet your ass they are using that terminology with the people they take in.
It's sort of like local cops not knowing exactly what to charge someone with so they call it a "Disorderly". On the federal level, you want to take someone in, suspect them of terrorism. And, technically, if you are trying to burn a federal building or attacking federal law enforcement officers, you could be a terrorist.

The people they take in are not being told anything and there’s no record of the arrest. In other words... nobody is using the term terrorism. They never say what’s going on. Just a big Federal kabuki theater fishing expedition. And one that has reignited what was calming down in Portland. Great job.

[Bryce]

The people they take in are not being told anything

They aren't required to for seven days.

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The people they take in are not being told anything

They aren't required to for seven days.

But that’s not the kind of thing Portland needed. Things were winding down. People were starting to listen to the dispersal orders and the situation was nearly resolved.

It’s still a violation of the 4th amendment and unless they witness one of these people actually doing something the 1st amendment as well. These squads will be shut down in court.

[Matt]

The people they take in are not being told anything

They aren't required to for seven days.

But that’s not the kind of thing Portland needed. Things were winding down. People were starting to listen to the dispersal orders and the situation was nearly resolved.

It’s still a violation of the 4th amendment and unless they witness one of these people actually doing something the 1st amendment as well. These squads will be shut down in court.

Why is executive overreach from Lansing "to keep people safe (tm)" ok, but not from Washington? I'd argue that neither is acceptable.

[Bryce]

The people they take in are not being told anything

They aren't required to for seven days.

It’s still a violation of the 4th amendment

Not until the SCOTUS say's it is.

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The people they take in are not being told anything

They aren't required to for seven days.

It’s still a violation of the 4th amendment

Not until the SCOTUS say's it is.

They aren’t even supposed to be doing judicial review.

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The people they take in are not being told anything

They aren't required to for seven days.

But that’s not the kind of thing Portland needed. Things were winding down. People were starting to listen to the dispersal orders and the situation was nearly resolved.

It’s still a violation of the 4th amendment and unless they witness one of these people actually doing something the 1st amendment as well. These squads will be shut down in court.

Why is executive overreach from Lansing "to keep people safe (tm)" ok, but not from Washington? I'd argue that neither is acceptable.

Because of the 4th amendment. This help from the feds violates that very clearly.

[TC Talks]

Look is getting good marks for her response to COVID. Go Big Gretch!

Despite protests and a movement to strip her of some of her emergency powers, Whitmer gets good marks when it comes to handling the coronavirus crisis: 63% of the Michigan residents surveyed said they strongly approve or somewhat approve of her actions while 31% said they somewhat disapprove or strongly disapprove.
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As for President Donald Trump, 41% of Michigan residents in this 2020 election battleground state strongly approve or somewhat approve of his handling of the coronavirus. Nationally, 40% of Americans somewhat disapprove or strongly disapprove.

[kager]

In neighboring Ohio, 75% of residents said they strongly approve or somewhat approve of their governor’s handling of the pandemic.

And in New York, 73% said they strongly approve or somewhat approve of the job that Gov. Andrew Cuomo is doing.

Look is getting good marks for her response to COVID. Go Big Gretch!

Despite protests and a movement to strip her of some of her emergency powers, Whitmer gets good marks when it comes to handling the coronavirus crisis: 63% of the Michigan residents surveyed said they strongly approve or somewhat approve of her actions

Nationwide, 60% of Americans say they strongly approve or somewhat approve of their governor’s handling of the pandemic.

Indeed.

Way to be about average, BG!

[TC Talks]

Nationwide, 60% of Americans say they strongly approve or somewhat approve of their governor’s handling of the pandemic.

Indeed.

Way to be about average, BG![/quote] While I agree with you, other Governors didn't have the Trump administration hire operatives to organize protests to create a politically divisive environment. Ohio didn't have this when their Governor ordered masks and stay in place, actually, no other Governor did. So I might thing she performed quite well despite the losers from Holland killing our citizens.

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Look is getting good marks for her response to COVID. Go Big Gretch!

Despite protests and a movement to strip her of some of her emergency powers, Whitmer gets good marks when it comes to handling the coronavirus crisis: 63% of the Michigan residents surveyed said they strongly approve or somewhat approve of her actions while 31% said they somewhat disapprove or strongly disapprove.
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As for President Donald Trump, 41% of Michigan residents in this 2020 election battleground state strongly approve or somewhat approve of his handling of the coronavirus. Nationally, 40% of Americans somewhat disapprove or strongly disapprove.

Link?

[UP906]

UP:

TC is noted for bringing things out of the air.

I know, but I thought I'd give him the benefit of the doubt in hopes he could point out which legit poll those numbers came from.