Restructuring Unions

[TC Talks]

Interesting way to try to eliminate all Unions if Police departments need to be dismantled.

The issue isn't collective bargaining, the issue is allowing destructive behavior in the rank and file. I don't think it's limited to police.

Protect dignity but not tolerate destructive behavior. It's possible.

If we want to eliminate violent police misconduct, then we need to eliminate collective-bargaining protections that shield bad cops. And there is a model for doing so. In 2012, then-Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wis.) passed Act 10, a law that reformed collective bargaining for teachers unions and other public worker unions in his state. (Disclosure: I co-authored a book with Walker on his collective-bargaining reforms.) Like police unions, the Wisconsin teachers unions had negotiated agreements that tied the hands of supervisors in disciplining chronically bad performers. Instead of being removed, bad teachers were moved around from school to school. Act 10 allowed school officials to hire and fire based on merit and pay based on performance. Good teachers got rewarded while bad teachers got the boot.

[Turkeytop]

Interesting way to try to eliminate all Unions if Police departments need to be dismantled.

The issue isn't collective bargaining, the issue is allowing destructive behavior in the rank and file. I don't think it's limited to police.

Protect dignity but not tolerate destructive behavior. It's possible.

If we want to eliminate violent police misconduct, then we need to eliminate collective-bargaining protections that shield bad cops. And there is a model for doing so. In 2012, then-Gov. Scott Walker (R-Wis.) passed Act 10, a law that reformed collective bargaining for teachers unions and other public worker unions in his state. (Disclosure: I co-authored a book with Walker on his collective-bargaining reforms.) Like police unions, the Wisconsin teachers unions had negotiated agreements that tied the hands of supervisors in disciplining chronically bad performers. Instead of being removed, bad teachers were moved around from school to school. Act 10 allowed school officials to hire and fire based on merit and pay based on performance. Good teachers got rewarded while bad teachers got the boot.

Every collective agreement is between two parties. Both parties bear equal responsibility for bad outcomes.

[Bryce]

Unless one party agrees to a bad agreement under duress.

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Unless one party agrees to a bad agreement under duress.

I bet many Police union contracts contain a no strike clause... that eliminates most “duress”...

[Turkeytop]

Unless one party agrees to a bad agreement under duress.

Having been involved in collective bargaining all of my life. I've never known any employer or any Union to agree to something they find unacceptable

If there's something in the contract I don't like, there's no use blaming the employer. We agreed to it.

[Bryce]

I'm gonna guess that over the years both Ford and GM agreed to things they didn't like to avoid a strike.

[Turkeytop]

I'm gonna guess that over the years both Ford and GM agreed to things they didn't like to avoid a strike.

And just as often, UAW will agree to something they don't like. But neither party will accept anything that is totally intolerable. No agreement makes everyone happy, but it's always mutual.

[Matt]

You misspelled "Abolish".

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You misspelled "Abolish".

Who misspelled abolish? Who even said abolish?

[Turkeytop]

You misspelled "Abolish".

Who misspelled abolish? Who even said abolish?

Maybe Matt is really Patriot.

[TC Talks]

You misspelled "Abolish".

Who misspelled abolish? Who even said abolish?

Maybe Matt is really Patriot.

That makes total sense.

[Turkeytop]

You misspelled "Abolish".

Found it!

I can't back him anymore. The tipping point was the pandemic and he has done nothing but antagonize during these conflicts he's had to deal with. Many other reasons, too many to list and spend time on. The things he's said on twitter have been outrageous. I feel like he's tanking it with the things he says. I would only vote for Biden if his VP choice is someone I can stomach. If he chooses Kamala, Abrams, Warren, Whitmer I'm going Libertarian. Demmings I've only seen a few interviews be she seems reasonable although I don' t know much about her policies but she seems not as in your face as Kamala- seems a bit more presidential. I like Tulsi Gabbard in more ways than one but she would not appease the wacky left side of the Dem party. Biden has lost more than a few steps. It's a damn shame these our what our choices are. Vote Libertarian for true change!!

Vote Libertarian to fully abolisch the police!

[Honeyman]

You misspelled "Abolish".

Who misspelled abolish? Who even said abolish?

You guys gotta brush up on your Mattspeak. This was an attempt at humor from our favorite Wolvie. Granted, a swing and a miss, but nonetheless, an attempt.

[Bryce]

You misspelled "Abolish".

Who misspelled abolish? Who even said abolish?

Wry do you ask? Just humor me.

[Turkeytop]

You misspelled "Abolish".

Who misspelled abolish? Who even said abolish?

You guys gotta brush up on your Mattspeak. This was an attempt at humor from our favorite Wolvie. Granted, a swing and a miss, but nonetheless, an attempt.

So, he is Patriot.

Puzzle solved.