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Feds are STILL screwing up coronavirus response...

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Feds are STILL screwing up coronavirus response...

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:11 am

All the test kits in the world are useless if labs & technicians lack the reagents and supplies necessary to run the tests!

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/p ... nge-as-key


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Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:26 am

Another article, this one from the Financial Times:

https://www.ft.com/content/86efe246-692 ... 70cff6e4d3

(Don't worry, though. Senator Dick Burr says we're "more prepared than ever as a nation" to fight this pandemic!)
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Post by bmw » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:29 am

So what is your proposed solution to this problem? Looks like this is not just a regional shortage, but a global shortage. What should we and other countries have reasonably been expected to have been doing months ago to avoid this?

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Post by Rate This » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:58 am

bmw wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:29 am
So what is your proposed solution to this problem? Looks like this is not just a regional shortage, but a global shortage. What should we and other countries have reasonably been expected to have been doing months ago to avoid this?
Making tests when we found out and were briefed on the problem this would cause instead of selling stock or calling it a hoax would be a start.

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Post by bmw » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am

"Making test." Well damn, who knew that the solution was so simple!!!???

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Post by Rate This » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am

bmw wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:00 am
"Making test." Well damn, who knew that the solution was so simple!!!???
Getting to work on making them is what I’m saying. Calling it a hoax is what we got.

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Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:02 pm

Full implementation of the Defense Production Act would've been a great start, BMW:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... to-ramp-up

The supply chain issues were brought to the President's attention at least ten days ago:

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2020- ... s-guidance
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Post by Rate This » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:17 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:02 pm
Full implementation of the Defense Production Act would've been a great start, BMW:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... to-ramp-up

The supply chain issues were brought to the President's attention at least ten days ago:

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2020- ... s-guidance
As of last night Trump was still hemming and hawing about whether to invoke the act or not... how nice of him... should be an absolute no brainer.

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Post by Matt » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:36 pm

Rate This wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:17 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:02 pm
Full implementation of the Defense Production Act would've been a great start, BMW:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... to-ramp-up

The supply chain issues were brought to the President's attention at least ten days ago:

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2020- ... s-guidance
As of last night Trump was still hemming and hawing about whether to invoke the act or not... how nice of him... should be an absolute no brainer.
Democrats: "TRUMP IS AN AUTHORITARIAN AND HAS TO GO!"

Also, Democrats: "TRUMP ISN'T BEING ENOUGH OF AN AUTHORITARIAN AND ASSERTING FEDERAL CONTROL!!"
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.

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Post by screen glare » Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:57 pm

Trump has a brain. However he can’t use it correctly as a fit president would - because he is unfit - due to his raging Narcissistic Personality DISORDER - which is a mental illness for which effective treatment or a cure is not known.

Only an unfit president DRIVEN by NPD override - would have placed his self-image of a “very stable genius” and worshipful king who can “...do anything I (he) want(s)...” far above public health threats and risks.

And now that Americans see that his daily lies aren't matching the empirical evidence they are living - his mental illness is finally being acknowledged by them. Or at least they are noticing he’s shockingly mentally “off”.

He did away with the pandemic experts who ran agency to agency “what if” exercises, and wrote reports - warning of every weak link within the government’s ability to protect the homeland from what we’re sequestered by - right now! Then months ago he began publicly downplaying the dangers of the Coronavirus.

We lost valuable time (months) as a nation under Trump’s extra-lame leadership - to plan, prepare, supply, build, stock, understand, invent, and research - so his dire, scatter shot, lethal, late response - could have been avoided. Meaning far fewer deaths, and a mitigated economic destruction.
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Post by Rate This » Sat Mar 21, 2020 1:02 pm

Matt wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:36 pm
Rate This wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:17 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:02 pm
Full implementation of the Defense Production Act would've been a great start, BMW:

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4 ... to-ramp-up

The supply chain issues were brought to the President's attention at least ten days ago:

https://www.aha.org/news/headline/2020- ... s-guidance
As of last night Trump was still hemming and hawing about whether to invoke the act or not... how nice of him... should be an absolute no brainer.
Democrats: "TRUMP IS AN AUTHORITARIAN AND HAS TO GO!"

Also, Democrats: "TRUMP ISN'T BEING ENOUGH OF AN AUTHORITARIAN AND ASSERTING FEDERAL CONTROL!!"
The former is what he does above and beyond the norms and laws of the country. The latter is working within that established framework under extreme circumstances.

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Post by screen glare » Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:20 pm

Thanks, Rate This. Crystal clear explanations are appreciated - but often fall on stubborn, or ignorant, or both - plugged ears.

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Post by km1125 » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:33 pm

We should not need the Defense Production Act to get stuff done. Merely talking to the CEOs at the relevant companies should be able to get all the production of supplies we need. The government should not be picking and choosing which companies or industries to take over, they should be going to the companies and saying "who can get this done..now" and paying for the costs to get it done.

Plenty of capacity out there, but companies need to step up and say they can and will do it. I was pretty shocked to see the quote from Musk only offering help on ventilators "if there's a shortage". Is there anyone responsible that has looked at the situation and come to the conclusion that there won't be a shortage of ventilators??

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Re: Feds are STILL screwing up coronavirus response...

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:53 pm

Democrats: "TRUMP IS AN AUTHORITARIAN AND HAS TO GO!"

Also, Democrats: "TRUMP ISN'T BEING ENOUGH OF AN AUTHORITARIAN AND ASSERTING FEDERAL CONTROL!!"
Matt - Are you suggesting their reaction, rhetoric, etc. should be influencing Trump's decision making in a time of crisis?

Effective leaders tune out the bullshit.

What you suggest would normally sound good to me, km1125, and I think that's what the White House has largely been doing, but I like to look at results. And in this instance, despite good faith efforts, the results aren't where they need to be. I think hospitals and medical care providers are more knowledgeable on what's needed here than an eccentric electric auto exec who enjoys smoking dope (i.e. Mr. Musk).

Companies such as Tesla have little incentive to retool their plants unless they know the government will provide them a financial backstop. Otherwise, they would be undertaking a massive financial risk.
Morgan Wallen is a piece of garbage.

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Post by Rate This » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:47 pm

km1125 wrote:
Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:33 pm
We should not need the Defense Production Act to get stuff done. Merely talking to the CEOs at the relevant companies should be able to get all the production of supplies we need. The government should not be picking and choosing which companies or industries to take over, they should be going to the companies and saying "who can get this done..now" and paying for the costs to get it done.

Plenty of capacity out there, but companies need to step up and say they can and will do it. I was pretty shocked to see the quote from Musk only offering help on ventilators "if there's a shortage". Is there anyone responsible that has looked at the situation and come to the conclusion that there won't be a shortage of ventilators??
This is the kind of thing that’s too serious for volunteering companies to hem and haw about it... get it done. Period. Wasting time otherwise.

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