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Gretcholm wants to raise fuel taxes by 45 cents/gallon by 2020

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Re: Gretcholm wants to raise fuel taxes by 45 cents/gallon by 2020

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Next will be a massive registration fee increase just like California, Maybe her dress that she was wearing during her “State of the State” Address doesn’t look that hot anymore.
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On social media all my Michigan friends have had a rather harsh opinion of this proposal. Needless today they are not happy that gas will raise by 45 cents a gallon.
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It turns out that "fix the damn roads" was just a dog whistle for "raise the damn taxes".
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I said that from the beginning, Just before she took office.
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I had a comment, but edited to erase cuz I don’t want to get in this debate. Lol
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Matt wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:06 pm It turns out that "fix the damn roads" was just a dog whistle for "raise the damn taxes".
What exactly do you suppose we should do then? We are so far behind we should spend all of the rainy day fund on it and redirect as much as possible from other sources... at this point we probably can’t catch up fully on road repairs... this is a non-starter with a GOP legislature...
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I don't really think there is anything else that can be done without increasing the gas tax. The things that might could get done probably won't. In the meantime while trying to decide what the better options are the roads will continue to get worse and worse. Gonna need revenue, make cuts where you can, and redirect the sales tax on gas to roads, and maybe a modest increase in registrations and license fees.
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two words "Overton Window" this is how the party's do business.

All these years we shout less taxes as the price to do work goes up, then how do you pay for 40 years of neglect.
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tapeisrolling wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:34 pm two words "Overton Window" this is how the party's do business.

All these years we shout less taxes as the price to do work goes up, then how do you pay for 40 years of neglect.
There are probably fewer years of neglect and more instances of shabby construction/maintenance work than you care to want to even try to quantify.

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kager wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:09 pm
tapeisrolling wrote: Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:34 pm two words "Overton Window" this is how the party's do business.

All these years we shout less taxes as the price to do work goes up, then how do you pay for 40 years of neglect.
There are probably fewer years of neglect and more instances of shabby construction/maintenance work than you care to want to even try to quantify.

The problem didn't surface overnight, and neither will the fix, no matter what phrase the new girl uses.
The root cause of shabby anything is money... you can’t fix something with nothing....
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The problem you run into, and I have seen this in states nationwide, is these taxes are increased to do one thing and then the money gets used for everything else but what it is set aside to do. There is no guarantee the same own't happen here.
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It cost me $25+ to drive across Ohio and more again in Penn via their toll road interstate hiways.
Put toll gates at the state line on US23 and all the other major hiways .... and lease business space in the rest areas.
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Michigan in the 20th Century, especially Post WWII, had two big Industries, The Automobile Industry and The Tourism Industry.

Look what happened when Oil prices surged due to the phony Peak Oil Theory, and the refusal to allow much Oil and Gas exploration in this country. It put us Under the Barrel of Middle East Oil. There seemed to be no top price for a barrel of oil.

1) Gas prices soared to over $4.15 A Gallon.

2) The recently thriving Detroit Automobile Industry quickly collapsed within a few months as gas prices continued high, ruining mid size Domestic Midsized Personal Transportation Production.

3) General Motors and Chrysler went out of business as we knew them. Their stock became worthless. Ford had already restructured and eked through.

4) The government took over GM and Chrysler, like in a Communist country.

Only when exploration for Oil and Oil production was allowed by various loopholes in various regions, like the Great Plains, did the Oil Prices go down.

1) Because of this, our economy began to recover with cheaper oil.

2) The Auto Industry began to recover.

3) The government got out in front of the parade, and claimed that THEY were responsible for the recovery.

Now storm clouds are forming.

1) Ocrazyo Cortez and Bolshevik Bernie want to make America a Communist State by any other name.

2) The Ocrazyos want to outlaw personal transportation, Automobiles, Airplanes, and Red Meat, etc.

3) The Ocrazyos want to Tax Incomes more and even Wealth to pay for "Free" Health Care, "Free" Public Transportation by High Speed Trains that CROSS OCEANS, "Free" College, Free this, Free that, etc. with massive Tax and WEALTH (Savings and RETIREMENT Funds, mostly by PEOPLE WITHOUT CUSHY GOVERNMENT OR PRIVATE PENSIONS) TAX INCREASES, allegedly on "The Rich", but THEIR "RICH" are constantly dumbed down to include people the REALLY RICH wouldn't give the time of day to.

4) The Ocrazyos and Bern-outs continually investigate and threaten to impeach Trump, thereby derailing his agenda, and doing EVERTHING possible to try to replace him in 2020. All with PHONY allegations.

5) There won't be enough money in the WORLD to pay for all this.

6) There will be a total WORLD economic collapse. Ocrazyos think it will just be the US, but it will be the WORLD.

7) America as we know it will be DESTROYED.

It all starts with a 50 cent per gallon Gas Tax. This has to be stopped. Otherwise, both Michigan's Auto and Tourism Industries will be DESTROYED. AGAIN!

When you take money out of the People's pockets to pay for these schemes, THE ECONOMY COLLAPSES. PURE AND SIMPLE. My solution. HUQE MARIJUANA TAXES! It's legal now anyway, like it or not, so LET'S TAX POT! YOU SMOKE IT. YOU PAY FOR IT THROUGH THE NOSE! HUQE TAXES ON "THE COMMUNITY BONG" businesses, too. MAKE THE DURNED HIPPIES PAY FOR IT!
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