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Somali refugee was Ohio terrorist..

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Ask not what your country can do FOR you; ask what they are about to do TO YOU!!
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Ask not what your country can do FOR you; ask what they are about to do TO YOU!!
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audiophile wrote:43,000 Somali refugees...
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/99-mu ... le/2608316
Scapegoating 43,000 for 1 is kind of... no wait.... IS absolutely rediculous...
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Have we learned nothing from France, England, Holland, and now even Germany?

We don't have to let these folks immigrate here, if they are not likely a integrate.
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audiophile wrote:Have we learned nothing from France, England, Holland, and now even Germany?

We don't have to let these folks immigrate here, if they are not likely a integrate.
While that may be true over there, there is less evidence of problems over here. Partly because of the distance and partly because we take two years to throughly vet these folks. They don't get to just show up the next day.
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Trump is correct on our inability to vet them.
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jry wrote:Trump is correct on our inability to vet them.
No he isn't. It's been repeatedly stated they vet these people for two years. Just because he pulls any random statement from his ass at will doesn't make it magically true.
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jry wrote:Trump is correct on our inability to vet them.
No he isn't. It's been repeatedly stated they vet these people for two years. Just because he pulls any random statement from his ass at will doesn't make it magically true.
James Comey testified in 2015 in front of Congress that there are problems with the process, and that we aren't as good at vetting Syrian refugees as we were at vetting Iraqi refugees because we have less information to cross-reference:
At the committee meeting, U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., asked Comey if there was concern that the FBI could miss a potential terrorist infiltrator because intelligence databases may not contain complete information on every refugee.

Comey agreed, saying the procedure isn’t perfect, because it relies on checking for criminal records or other nefarious activity.

"We can only query against that which we have collected," Comey said. "If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home but we are not going to — there will be nothing show up because we have no record on that person."

So while the process is very thorough, Comey was saying he couldn’t guarantee there would never be a problem and no terrorist could ever slip through the cracks. That’s just the way it is.

Comey noted that when the United States performed background checks on Iraqi refugees, they had a much larger database because of the American presence there over the last decade. Not having the same intelligence infrastructure in Syria has resulted in much less information with which to cross-reference an applicant.
Source: Politifact
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bmw wrote:
NS8401 wrote:
jry wrote:Trump is correct on our inability to vet them.
No he isn't. It's been repeatedly stated they vet these people for two years. Just because he pulls any random statement from his ass at will doesn't make it magically true.
James Comey testified in 2015 in front of Congress that there are problems with the process, and that we aren't as good at vetting Syrian refugees as we were at vetting Iraqi refugees because we have less information to cross-reference:
At the committee meeting, U.S. Rep. Bennie Thompson, D-Miss., asked Comey if there was concern that the FBI could miss a potential terrorist infiltrator because intelligence databases may not contain complete information on every refugee.

Comey agreed, saying the procedure isn’t perfect, because it relies on checking for criminal records or other nefarious activity.

"We can only query against that which we have collected," Comey said. "If someone has never made a ripple in the pond in Syria in a way that would get their identity or their interest reflected in our database, we can query our database until the cows come home but we are not going to — there will be nothing show up because we have no record on that person."

So while the process is very thorough, Comey was saying he couldn’t guarantee there would never be a problem and no terrorist could ever slip through the cracks. That’s just the way it is.

Comey noted that when the United States performed background checks on Iraqi refugees, they had a much larger database because of the American presence there over the last decade. Not having the same intelligence infrastructure in Syria has resulted in much less information with which to cross-reference an applicant.
Source: Politifact
Even if one were to slip through, it would be extremely isolated. Is 1 person worth punishing 40,000?
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NS8401 wrote: Even if one were to slip through, it would be extremely isolated. Is 1 person worth punishing 40,000?
I guess that would depend if it was your daughter that that "one" hacked up with a butcher knife while she was attending college.

Punish? Wouldn't the clan-based opposition militias be the ones that are doing the punishing? People are wont to say that the U.S. shouldn't be the worlds policeman. That being the case, we shouldn't be their homeless shelter either.

You don't need to look to the UK and Europe for the problems with Somalian immigration. Minnesota has been dealing with a nightmare since the early 1990's.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Let's say that only yellow Dodge Darts cause traffic accidents. Most yellow Dodge Darts don't cause accidents. But all accidents are caused by yellow Dodge Darts. Could you sympathize with drivers that get worried when they see a yellow Dodge Dart?
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Circle Seven wrote:Let's say that only yellow Dodge Darts cause traffic accidents. Most yellow Dodge Darts don't cause accidents. But all accidents are caused by yellow Dodge Darts. Could you sympathize with drivers that get worried when they see a yellow Dodge Dart?
As much as I could someone who saw a gun or had to walk near a fire... shit happens... it doesn't mean you automatically run and hide and shut down everything you did before. You people are doing exactly what they want you to do. I refuse to participate in that. They want you afraid. They want you to blame Muslims and give them propaganda ("see they really do hate us!!!!") to show recruits to radicalize them. It's terror strategy 101 and you all just keep falling for it. Absolutely stupid.
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NS8401 wrote:Even if one were to slip through, it would be extremely isolated. Is 1 person worth punishing 40,000?
One?! How quickly you forget!

Below is a sampling of more than 20 cases of terrorist plots against the U.S. by Muslim immigrants that have received little to no national media coverage over the last two years. All of the below terrorists and suspected terrorists would have passed through the federal government’s vaunted “vetting” process for refugees, asylum seekers and other types of immigrants:
An immigrant from Muslim-dominated Bangladesh, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship,‎ tried to incite people to travel to Somalia and conduct violent jihad against the United States. He was arrested in Texas in 2014.
In July 2015, a Cuban immigrant inspired by Islamic extremists plotted to explode a backpack bomb filled with nails on a beach in Key West.
An immigrant from Ghana, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, pledged allegiance to ISIS and plotted a terrorist attack on U.S. soil. He attacked an FBI agent with a large kitchen knife when the agent was searching his home in June in Staten Island, New York. The search was connected to an investigation stemming from the weekend arrest of Munther Omar Saleh, a 20-year-old U.S. citizen charged with conspiring to provide material support to ISIS, CNN reported.
An immigrant from Sudan living in northern Virginia, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, tried to join ISIS and wage jihad on its behalf after having been recruited online. He pleaded guilty in federal court in June 2015 to providing material support to ISIS and his friend, according to court records, is now a member of the Islamic State fighting force in Syria.
A Muslim refugee couple from Bosnia, along with their five relatives living in Missouri, Illinois and New York, were charged in February 2015 with sending money, supplies and smuggled arms to ISIS and other terrorist organizations in Syria and Iraq.
A Muslim immigrant from Yemen, who applied for and received U.S. citizenship, along with six other men living in Minnesota as members of refugee families, were charged in April 2015 with conspiracy to travel to Syria and to provide material support to ISIS.
A Somali refugee with lawful permanent resident status, along with four other Somali nationals, were charged July 23, 2014, with leading an al-Shabaab terrorist fundraising conspiracy in the United States, with monthly payments directed to the Somali terrorist organization.
A Kazakhstani immigrant with lawful permanent resident status conspired to purchase a machine gun to shoot FBI and other law enforcement agents if they prevented him from traveling to Syria to join ISIS. He and two others from Uzbekistan, both living in Brooklyn, were charged in February 2015 with providing material support a foreign terrorist organization.
Two female immigrants, one from Saudi Arabia and one from Yemen, one of whom applied for and received U.S. citizenship, allegedly swore allegiance to ISIS and pledged to explode a propane tank bomb on U.S. soil. They were arrested in April 2015 during an FBI undercover raid on their house in Queens, New York.
A Uzbek man in Brooklyn allegedly encouraged other Uzbek nationals to wage jihad on behalf of ISIS, and raised $1,600 for the terror organization. The arrests were announced in February and April 2015.
The Boston Bombers were invited in as asylum seekers. The younger brother applied for citizenship and was naturalized on Sept. 11, 2012. The older brother had a pending application for citizenship.
A Moroccan Muslim who came to the U.S. on a student visa was arrested and charged in April 2014 with plotting to blow up a university and a federal courthouse.
Six members of Minnesota’s Somali-American refugee community have recently been charged with trying to join ISIS. The Washington Times reported that “the effort [to resettle large groups of Somali refugees in Minnesota] is having the unintended consequence of creating an enclave of immigrants with high unemployment that is both stressing the state’s safety net and creating a rich pool of potential recruiting targets for Islamist terror groups.”
An Uzbek refugee living in Boise, Idaho, was arrested in 2013 and charged with providing support to a terrorist organization, in the form of teaching terror recruits how to build bombs to blow up U.S. military installations. He was convicted in August 2015.
A teenage American citizen living in York, South Carolina, whose family emigrated from Syria, was sentenced in April 2015 for plotting to support ISIS and rob a gun store to kill members of the American military.
A Muslim immigrant from Syria living in Ohio, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was accused by federal prosecutors of planning to “go to a military base in Texas and kill three or four American soldiers execution style.”
A college student, who came to America as a refugee from Somalia and later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, attempted to blow up a Christmas tree lighting ceremony in Oregon. He was sentenced in October 2014 to 30 years in prison.
An immigrant from Afghanistan, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, and a legal permanent resident from the Philippines, were convicted Sept. 25, 2014, for trying to “join Al Qaeda and the Taliban in order to kill Americans.”
An Iraqi immigrant, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in May 2015 for lying to federal agents about pledging allegiance to ISIS and his travels to Syria.
Two Pakistani-American brothers living in New York, who later applied for and received U.S citizenship, were sentenced in June 2015 to decades-long prison sentences for plotting to detonate a bomb in New York City.
An immigrant from Muslim-dominated Yemen, who later applied for and received U.S. citizenship, was arrested in September 2014 in Rochester, New York, for allegedly trying to join ISIS. He was also charged with attempting to illegally buy firearms to try to shoot American military personnel.
An immigrant brought here by his family from Kuwait at age 6, and who was later approved for U.S. citizenship, carried out the jihadist attack that recently killed four U.S. Marines and a sailor in Chattanooga on July 16, 2015, using an AK-47 semi-automatic weapon against unarmed military men.

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We don't have to let these folks immigrate here, if they are not likely a integrate.
And Connecticut should have never let Adam Lanza immigrate from New Hampshire.
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