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Can A Statement Be Racist If It's True?

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Re: Can A Statement Be Racist If It's True?

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Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 8:01 pm But only one tribe had a member who murdered someone...
What part of Trump clearly distinguishing between the White Supremacists and the non-White Supremacists are you not understanding?

At this point I think you're being intentionally intellectually dishonest just so you don't have to admit you're wrong.
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At what point are you going to realize I really don't have any interest in engaging in your or anyone else's rationalization of racist behavior?
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If you guys want to justify the defense of people that marched through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us!!", go right ahead.

Don't you think there's a reason why all these white nationalist groups love Trump and think that his coded dog-whistle shit is "speaking to them"?
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Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:31 pm
bmw wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:04 am If Trump proposes repealing the 13th Amendment (bringing back slavery), legalizing segregation, or if he starts calling black people n*ggers, then I'll be the first to come back here and call him a racist. Until then, I've seen nothing that rises above the level of bigotry - and even most of that appears to be rooted in intolerance of those who support socialism as opposed to intolerance of one's skin color.

It is mind-boggling to me how much the goal posts have moved throughout our history as to what constitutes racism. Actual racism did exist for much of our history.

Slavery? THAT is racist.
Counting black people as 3/5 human? THAT is racist.
Segregation? THAT is racist.
Calling black people the N-word? THAT is racist.

Disagreeing with or even sharply criticizing people of color over their political views? That is NOT racist, at least so long as your disagreement isn't rooted in white supremacy. Bigotry? Maybe.
Anyone attacking people of color that hold office to lessen their political impact is racist. No "N'" word required.
Ill assume that you will still hold this ridiculous opinion toward the white, Democrat party critics of Michael steele, Tim Scott and Nikki Haley....
Youre starting to sound like a bot or troll.
I guess its sexist when people attacked Clinton for non-gender related reasons, but the even worse, most vicious, over the top comments directed at Sarah Palin were fine, right?
I know if you arent a bot or a troll that you are smart enough to not believe this idiotic remark.
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Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:53 pm At what point are you going to realize I really don't have any interest in engaging in your or anyone else's rationalization of racist behavior?
I don't know - we're now on the 4th page of this thread and you continue to respond.

And to be clear I'm not "rationalizing" anything. I've done nothing more than early on provide a dictionary definition of the word "racism" and asked you to explain how Trump's actions/statements fit this definition - something you have thus far refused to do. If it so blatantly obvious that Trump is a racist as you claim, and moreover as the word "racism" has a definition so simple a 5-year old could understand it, then you should have no problem doing this. I'm not buying this "lack of interest" nonsense. As I said, I think you're purposefully being intellectually dishonest to avoid admitting that several people posting here have valid points.
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Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:53 pm At what point are you going to realize I really don't have any interest in engaging in your or anyone else's rationalization of racist behavior?
They keep trying to defend the behavior.
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Y M Ionhere wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:37 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:31 pm
bmw wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:04 am If Trump proposes repealing the 13th Amendment (bringing back slavery), legalizing segregation, or if he starts calling black people n*ggers, then I'll be the first to come back here and call him a racist. Until then, I've seen nothing that rises above the level of bigotry - and even most of that appears to be rooted in intolerance of those who support socialism as opposed to intolerance of one's skin color.

It is mind-boggling to me how much the goal posts have moved throughout our history as to what constitutes racism. Actual racism did exist for much of our history.Slavery? THAT is racist. Counting black people as 3/5 human? THAT is racist.
Segregation? THAT is racist.
Calling black people the N-word? THAT is racist. Disagreeing with or even sharply criticizing people of color over their political views? That is NOT racist, at least so long as your disagreement isn't rooted in white supremacy. Bigotry? Maybe.
Anyone attacking people of color that hold office to lessen their political impact is racist. No "N'" word required.
Ill assume that you will still hold this ridiculous opinion toward the white, Democrat party critics of Michael steele, Tim Scott and Nikki Haley....
Youre starting to sound like a bot or troll.
I guess its sexist when people attacked Clinton for non-gender related reasons, but the even worse, most vicious, over the top comments directed at Sarah Palin were fine, right?I know if you arent a bot or a troll that you are smart enough to not believe this idiotic remark.
Take your ignorant racist bs to this month's klan rally. Maybe they'll buy it.
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bmw wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:49 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:53 pm At what point are you going to realize I really don't have any interest in engaging in your or anyone else's rationalization of racist behavior?
I don't know - we're now on the 4th page of this thread and you continue to respond.
Mostly because I believe speaking out against a racist President is worthwhile.

YMMV
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TC Talks wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:52 pm
Y M Ionhere wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:37 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 1:31 pm
bmw wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:04 am If Trump proposes repealing the 13th Amendment (bringing back slavery), legalizing segregation, or if he starts calling black people n*ggers, then I'll be the first to come back here and call him a racist. Until then, I've seen nothing that rises above the level of bigotry - and even most of that appears to be rooted in intolerance of those who support socialism as opposed to intolerance of one's skin color.

It is mind-boggling to me how much the goal posts have moved throughout our history as to what constitutes racism. Actual racism did exist for much of our history.Slavery? THAT is racist. Counting black people as 3/5 human? THAT is racist.
Segregation? THAT is racist.
Calling black people the N-word? THAT is racist. Disagreeing with or even sharply criticizing people of color over their political views? That is NOT racist, at least so long as your disagreement isn't rooted in white supremacy. Bigotry? Maybe.
Anyone attacking people of color that hold office to lessen their political impact is racist. No "N'" word required.
Ill assume that you will still hold this ridiculous opinion toward the white, Democrat party critics of Michael steele, Tim Scott and Nikki Haley....
Youre starting to sound like a bot or troll.
I guess its sexist when people attacked Clinton for non-gender related reasons, but the even worse, most vicious, over the top comments directed at Sarah Palin were fine, right?I know if you arent a bot or a troll that you are smart enough to not believe this idiotic remark.
Take your ignorant racist bs to this month's klan rally. Maybe they'll buy it.
I have had long, respectful conversations with black colleagues about race relations. They appreciated my honest, considerate, dialogue and willingness to hear their side to better understand racial issues. I am the wrong target for false racism claims buddy. Stop it. Now. If you keep it up it will be considered harrassment and I will pursue whatever I need to.
Yes, ive accused cowboy of racism myself. Mostly because he makes specifically racial comments about large swaths of white people, often in a topic in which race is not relevant. You dont have any reason to accuse me of it. I have not made far-reaching, disparaging comments about people and specifically bringing their race into it.
Grow up. If you think I said something racist, point it out and ask me about. Dont make trumped up blanket statements just to impugn me because i dont support people like Bernie or Elizabeth Warren and the ideas they put forth. Ill be the first white guy in the room to sit down and talk about race relations compassionately with people of other ethnicities. Because I have been.
Again, youre warned. Stop it. I have not made over the top racial diatribes against large swaths of the population like the 1 individual I do admittedly call out. And if he wants to respectfully, politely challenge me on my thoughts, ill have that debate. You dont seem to want that.
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Lester The Nightfly wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:34 am
bmw wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 10:49 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote: Thu Aug 01, 2019 9:53 pm At what point are you going to realize I really don't have any interest in engaging in your or anyone else's rationalization of racist behavior?
I don't know - we're now on the 4th page of this thread and you continue to respond.
Mostly because I believe speaking out against a racist President is worthwhile.

YMMV
You are so full of sh*t. Your entry into this thread wasn't directed against the President, but rather against anyone who challenged the assertion that his statements exhibited racism:
Lester The Nightfly wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2019 1:34 am ...I'll only chime in that if you would feel the need you would have to to go through similar gyrations with people such as your employer, pastor or look your your kids in the eyes to justify why something that is clearly racist isn't, it's a pretty good bet it won't pass the smell test in this particular forum either.

History is rife with empty souls who slept well at night secure in their own delusional justifications.
You're like that mole in the whack-a-mole game.
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A very good read...

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/herita ... es-james

She must be a racist. Oh, wait...
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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MWmetalhead wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 11:04 am Trump attacked Cummings in response to Cummings criticism of the administration's handling of southern border issues. Had nothing to do with race.

That said - I do firmly believe Donald Trump is a low life piece of shit.
Yeah, but he's our low life piece of shit. :razz
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Our board's rasict in chief wrote:I have had long, respectful conversations with black colleagues about race relations. They appreciated my honest, considerate, dialogue and willingness to hear their side to better understand racial issues. I am the wrong target for false racism claims buddy. Stop it. Now. If you keep it up it will be considered harrassment and I will pursue whatever I need to.
Pursue away you racist idiot. Ask your attorney if your online forum's alias can sue for defamation. I know my words are powerful here, but maybe you're too sensitive A person to be engaging in debate when you can't handle being called out for your beliefs. My advice is to stop the harassment by leaving the thread.

Here's a good read on this very topic...

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‘We’re All Tired of Being Called Racists’
At Donald Trump’s rally in Cincinnati, droves of attendees made it clear that they stood with the president despite his recent comments.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ts/595333/

My favorite quote:
“Look, but she is gonna get—you know, I don’t want her stinkin’ Muslim crap in my country,” Roseanna said.

“Sharia law,” Amy chimed in. Her iridescent CoverGirl highlighter glinted under the stadium lights. “Sharia law.”

“That’s not America,” Roseanna said. “She is a Muslim through and through …She wants that all here.” She wondered aloud whether Omar had come to the U.S. illegally.
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TC Talks wrote: Sat Aug 03, 2019 12:28 pm
Our board's rasict in chief wrote:I have had long, respectful conversations with black colleagues about race relations. They appreciated my honest, considerate, dialogue and willingness to hear their side to better understand racial issues. I am the wrong target for false racism claims buddy. Stop it. Now. If you keep it up it will be considered harrassment and I will pursue whatever I need to.
Pursue away you racist idiot. Ask your attorney if your online forum's alias can sue for defamation. I know my words are powerful here, but maybe you're too sensitive A person to be engaging in debate when you can't handle being called out for your beliefs. My advice is to stop the harassment by leaving the thread.

Here's a good read on this very topic...

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‘We’re All Tired of Being Called Racists’
At Donald Trump’s rally in Cincinnati, droves of attendees made it clear that they stood with the president despite his recent comments.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/ar ... ts/595333/

My favorite quote:
“Look, but she is gonna get—you know, I don’t want her stinkin’ Muslim crap in my country,” Roseanna said.

“Sharia law,” Amy chimed in. Her iridescent CoverGirl highlighter glinted under the stadium lights. “Sharia law.”

“That’s not America,” Roseanna said. “She is a Muslim through and through …She wants that all here.” She wondered aloud whether Omar had come to the U.S. illegally.
What specific beliefs have I expressed that fit the definitiin of "racism"?
If you cant cite them then youre own defense is garbage.you must cite racist beliefs to claim you are calling me out on them.
Otherwise, youre just spewing politically motivated libel.
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