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“Stimulus” bill killed

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It seems like we have another moral dilemma amongst the Conservatives...

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MWmetalhead wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:37 am In Trump's defense, he didn't guarantee the lifting of any travel or social distancing restrictions by Easter. He said no decisions are going to be made yet, and that it's something "we'll look at" as the date draws nearer. He also discussed the possibility of differing restrictions by geography.

I don't find his comments on this particular point to be unreasonable at all.
Trying to do it County by county would be idiotic. How exactly are they going to stop someone from spreading it out of the county? Road blocks at every exit point Big and small with people Taking temperatures before you can leave?

Such a proposal is aimed at opening the economy by hook or by crook on Easter. Also the underlying message is “it’ll be over soon so get ready to open”. That could potentially cause people locked down when Easter comes to demand that the governors lift the lockdowns which could cause them to cave and start spreading the thing far and wide. Spreading it far and wide could very well exacerbate the economic Issues we are having if there is another wave of infections and things shut down again. That’s why everyone is telling him not to even suggest reopening things and why Fauci said we have to go by the viruses timeline and not some politically motivated one.
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County by county wouldn't be much different than what we have with state-by-state. It's pretty much voluntary now, except for the businesses that are forced to close. You could build a buffer of counties around those critical counties. If Macomb, Oakland and Wayne were "red" counties you could designate all the adjoining counties as "red" too, even though they might not qualify just by their own stats.
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km1125 wrote: Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:48 pm County by county wouldn't be much different than what we have with state-by-state. It's pretty much voluntary now, except for the businesses that are forced to close. You could build a buffer of counties around those critical counties. If Macomb, Oakland and Wayne were "red" counties you could designate all the adjoining counties as "red" too, even though they might not qualify just by their own stats.
So now we shut down counties that don't need to be shut down as a buffer? The problem with this is that it relies on voluntary cooperation with it. Can that really ever work if half the people say "can't happen to me" and go about their day?
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MWmetalhead wrote: Wed Mar 25, 2020 6:57 pm On what do you base your conclusions?
The country is in debt. Printing money means there’s more of it, meaning it’s worth less. That’s fiat money in a nutshell.

If these governors hadn’t shut down large portions of the economy, this wouldn’t have even been considered. How long does this “free money” go on? You know when it does expire, some people will complain that it should be extended. Not to mention, any projected cost of any government program always seems to be lowballed. There’s also the enormous amount of pork spending found in this bill just like so many others over the years.
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Reread the first part of my post. I said worth less, not worthless, which you agreed with. Look at what a dollar was worth 100 years ago compared to now. Hell, look at a dollar from 1970 compared to now. Zimbabwe printed money like crazy too, even had a 100 trillion dollar bill. It was pretty much worthless (and now officially is).

What do you consider subsiding? From previous posts, it sounds like that number has to be zero. What are the odds of that? Even polio and TB still exist.

I disagree. The crash would have been harder, but the recovery would have been better and stronger. You are assuming GM, Ford, and Chrysler would have gone away otherwise. They could have just filed chapter 11 and keep the good parts. Chrysler was bailed out in the past, and failed again. The bond holders got screwed because the government picked winners and losers. They created another bubble.

You really think there wouldn’t be pressure by some to renew this entitlement? Come on MW, I have always pegged you as a smart and reasonable person, but lately you haven’t been even listening to any point of view other than your own. I am- I just don’t agree with them, and I post examples why.

So standing by my principles and beliefs is a bad thing?
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Trump apparently has told people that he wants his signature to appear on the stimulus checks. Normally this is carried out by a civil servant. That sounds like a pretty naked re-election gimmick.
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Well, you can take that to the bank.
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Rate This wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:13 pm Trump apparently has told people that he wants his signature to appear on the stimulus checks. Normally this is carried out by a civil servant. That sounds like a pretty naked re-election gimmick.
Might be the only check with Trump*'s name on it that didn't stand a good chance of bouncing...
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Lester The Nightfly wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:05 pm
Rate This wrote: Sat Mar 28, 2020 1:13 pm Trump apparently has told people that he wants his signature to appear on the stimulus checks. Normally this is carried out by a civil servant. That sounds like a pretty naked re-election gimmick.
Might be the only check with Trump*'s name on it that didn't stand a good chance of bouncing...
Good point... and that’s if he even paid his vendors at all...
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audiophile wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:50 pm Plus you could lose more then 1% - 2% through suicide due to economic collapse or drugs due to idle hands.

Suicides soar to record levels:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -2019.html
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audiophile wrote: Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:16 am
audiophile wrote: Tue Mar 24, 2020 3:50 pm Plus you could lose more then 1% - 2% through suicide due to economic collapse or drugs due to idle hands.

Suicides soar to record levels:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... -2019.html
Let’s be clear that this is PRIOR to the virus...
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