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[Turkeytop]

But, didn't your Supreme Court give women that right?

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Yes

Since 1973

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Abortion will always be with us.
Legal or non-legal.
DIY.
DIY with assistance of another person who is trained or untrained.


When done by a medical professional the female patient usually does not die. The fetus usually dies.

In a DIY abortion or with an untrained assistant - very often the
fetus and the female desiring the abortion both die.

Abortion will always be with us. The question is: for each abortion - one death or two?

If legally performed by a trained medical professional there is usually one death. The fetus.

Fact: Abortion will always be with us.

[audiophile]

But, didn't your Supreme Court give women that right?

Yes and no. They strung together multiple amendments in a 5 to 4 decision and choose a hard dividing line of the first trimester (which is not in the constitution). I think it was an anti-miniority decision. Remember at one point the supreme court also said blacks weren't people either (just like the unborn). See Dred Scott decision: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dred_Scott_v._Sandford

The supreme court essentially got into legislation form the bench, trying to find some sort of compromise. The "Roe" lady (Norma McCorvey) came out against the decision and said she was "used" by the lawyers. She never had an abortion - she gave the baby away. Later she became a pro-life activist after seeing the horrors after working in a real abortion clinic.

It is clear the horrors of the "medical" abortion can no longer stand, see https://apnews.com/982a2b1d7dd246448a6527bf07bd1726

There is no reason a complete ban can not stand after the first trimester even under the 1973 decision. A handful of appellant judges have even blocked that those from taking effect over the years. However tide has changed, just like slavery. The unborn have rights just like the hard fought-for-rights of those slaves.

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If a man were pregnant and absolutely did not want to carry over nine months and then labor and deliver a baby - in other words was desperate enough to abort - he would do anything he could think of to make sure he DID abort the fetus. This would be males of reproductive ages. Teens and adults alike. The world over.

If legal - such a male would seek a medical abortion and the fetus would die. While he would most likely live.

If abortion were illegal he would desperately go the DIY route. Or he’d desperately choose the “DIY with untrained assistant” choice. And in those cases usually both the fetus and he would die. Most often of infection or blood loss.

It’s exactly the same for pregnant females.

The difference is of course only females face this desperation and these choices - depending on where they live and their access to legal abortion, transportation, money.

Abortion will always be with us. The question is - for each abortion - one death or two?

Remember - the pregnant female could be your teen or adult daughter who dies. Your mom. Your wife. Your girlfriend. Your best friend. Any female of reproductive age you love.

We men can be very eager to tell females what they should do in these cases. We should not. It’s her decision. Whether we like it or not. And all pregnant females decide whether to remain pregnant or abort.

Unless commonly God decides with millions and millions of miscarriages over human history.

[audiophile]

Knock yourself out.

Actually I contend those that want abortion are mentality unstable.

Why would someone wants to murder someone of their own flesh and blood, let alone a helpless baby. If these "unfit" individuals take themselves out, wouldn't humanists call that Darwinism?

For the rest of us that believe in God (or even those believe in "live and let live") we are appalled by it. Do you kill puppies for fun?

[Deleted User 12047]

Interesting argument, and appreciate the reasoned responses. My question: Is it a "baby" if it is not viable outside the womb? If you are ready to use words like "murder" are you ready to criminalize behavior by a pregnant woman that would jeopardize the life of the unborn? It seems a lot of energy is spent to protect the unborn child, but what about afterwards? Shouldn't the "born" be just as protected as the "unborn"? Shouldn't society support them until they are able to support themselves? Thanks for your continued reasoned response.