On a scale of 0-10, how worried are you about coronavirus?

[Lester The Nightfly]

The LGBTQIA+ community is particularly at risk. Very poor hygiene. Multiple partners. Unprotected sex. BE CAREFUL!

Grow up asshole, people are dying due to this...

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It’s in my county, and I still have zero concern. The media and now the state of Michigan is the one escalating the fear. How many people died from Swine flu during that “pandemic”?

That wasn’t nearly what this is... neither was SARS... both incidentally are Coronaviruses...

[TC Talks]

You should read how Singapore and Japan are holding the disease spread to managable numbers... The US approach is more similar to Italy.

Hong Kong and Singapore were hit early with the coronavirus. But each now has fewer than 200 cases, while France, Germany and Spain, which were hit late, all have more than 10 times that number.

Three weeks ago, Italy had only three cases. Now it has more than 10,000.

These dramatic differences show that how governments respond to this virus matters, says Mike Ryan, the World Health Organization's head of emergencies.

"Hope is not a strategy," says Ryan, who is an epidemiologist. "We are still very much in the up cycle of this epidemic."

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... rm=nprnews

[Deleted User 24]

The American Conservative weighs in. Trump's losing his base.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com ... -reaction/

[Honeyman]

Interesting to re-read the entire thread considering what has happened in the past month and a half. Wasn't very hard to be prophetic, but my main concern in my initial post was the idiot in the White House.

The Worst Outcome---If somebody other than Donald Trump were in the White House, the coronavirus crisis would not be unfolding this way.

At every turn, President Trump’s policy regarding coronavirus has unfolded as if guided by one rule: How can I make this crisis worse?
Presidents are not all-powerful, especially not in the case of pandemic disease. There are limits to what they can do, for good or ill. But within those limits, at every juncture, Trump’s actions have ensured the worst possible outcomes. The worst outcome for public health. The worst outcome for the American economy. The worst outcome for American global leadership.
Trump’s Oval Office speech of March 11 was the worst action yet in a string of bad actions.
Here are the things the president did not do in that speech.
He offered no guidance or policy on how to prevent the spread of the disease inside the United States. Should your town cancel its St. Patrick’s Day parade? What about theatrical productions and sporting events? Classes at schools and colleges? Nothing.
He offered no explanation of what went wrong with the U.S. testing system, nor any assurance of when testing would become more widely available. His own previous promises of testing for anyone who needs it have been exploded as false. So what is true? Nothing.

Layoffs are coming, probably on a very large scale, as travel collapses and people hunker down at home. Any word for those about to lose their jobs? Only the vaguest indication that something might be announced sometime soon.
It’s good to hear that there will be no co-pays on the tests nobody seems able to get. What about other health-care coverage? Any word on that? Nothing.
The financial markets have plunged into a 2008-style crash, auguring a recession, perhaps a severe one. The Trump administration has had almost two months to think about this crisis. It has trial-ballooned some ideas. But, of course, fiscal policy would require assent from the House of Representatives. Trump is still pouting at Speaker Nancy Pelosi. So—aside from some preposterously unconvincing happy talk about the economy—again: nothing.
There was one something in the speech: a ban on travel from Europe, but not the United Kingdom. It’s a classic Trump formulation. It seeks to protect America by erecting a wall against the world, without thinking very hard how or whether the wall can work. The disease is already here. The numbers only look low because of our prior failure to provide adequate testing. They will not look low even four days from now. And those infected with the virus can travel from other countries and on other routes. Trump himself has already met some.
The travel ban is an act of panic. Financial futures began crashing even as Trump was talking, perhaps shocked by his lack of an economic plan, perhaps aghast at his latest attack on world trade. (The speech seemed to suggest an embargo on European-sourced cargo as well, but that looks more like a mental lapse of Trump’s than a real policy announcement. The ban on cargo was retracted by a post-speech tweet, although the ban remains in the posted transcript of the speech.) Among other things, the ban represents one more refutation by Trump of any idea of collective security against collective threats. While China offers medical assistance to Italy, he wants to sever ties to former friends—isolating America and abandoning the world.
This crisis is not of Trump’s making. What he is responsible for is his failure to respond promptly, and then his perverse and counterproductive choice of how to respond when action could be avoided no longer. Trump, in his speech, pleaded for an end to finger-pointing. It’s a strange thing for this president of all presidents to say. No American president, and precious few American politicians, have ever pointed so many fingers or hurled so much abuse as Donald Trump. What he means, of course, is: Don’t hold me to account for the things I did.
But he did do them, and he owns responsibility for those things. He cannot escape it, and he will not escape it.
More people will get sick because of his presidency than if somebody else were in charge. More people will suffer the financial hardship of sickness because of his presidency than if somebody else were in charge. The medical crisis will arrive faster and last longer than if somebody else were in charge. So, too, the economic crisis. More people will lose their jobs than if somebody else were in charge. More businesses will be pushed into bankruptcy than if somebody else were in charge. More savers will lose more savings than if somebody else were in charge. The damage to America’s global leadership will be greater than if somebody else were in charge.
There is always something malign in Trump’s incompetence. He has no care or concern for others; he cannot absorb the trouble and suffering of others as real. He monotones his way through words of love and compassion, but those words plainly have no content or meaning for him. The only thing that is real is his squalid vanity. This virus threatens to pierce that vanity, so he denied it as long as he could. What he refuses to acknowledge cannot be real, can it?
And even now that he has acknowledged the crisis, he still cannot act, because he does not know what to do. His only goal now is to shove blame onto others. Americans have to face the fact that in the grip of this pandemic, the Oval Office is for all practical purposes as empty as the glazed eyes of the man who spoke from that office tonight.

[Lester The Nightfly]

Thanks for the thoughtful post Honeyman.

[Honeyman]

Thanks for the thoughtful post Honeyman.

I should have given credit where credit is due....that was written by David Frum in The Atlantic.

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Thanks for the thoughtful post Honeyman.

I should have given credit where credit is due....that was written by David Frum in The Atlantic.

Wow. Even your panic is plagiarized.

It was a mistake... you make them all the time. Shut up.

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LL... you are full of shit. Plagiarists don’t immediately correct themselves.

[Honeyman]

Thanks for having my back, RT. I dont see trollifes posts any more since I put the fool on ignore, but saw that one since you replied.

It is interesting how much of a fucking idiot she/he/it looks like now since its first reply was -10. And if, God forbid, this thing really escalates, its prediction will really show what a complete and total dolt it is.

Take care, RT......we're in for a wild ride, my internet friend.

[fuzzpower]

So Honeyman, have you left your house in the past few days? I mean, you might get infected! You seem to be in the “shut everything down and take away freedom” camp. Maybe you have stock in the toilet paper and hand sanitizer manufacturers. Maybe you just panic easily. I really don’t know what your deal is.

Still zero concern. If I get it, then maybe it goes all the way up to two.

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So Honeyman, have you left your house in the past few days? I mean, you might get infected! You seem to be in the “shut everything down and take away freedom” camp. Maybe you have stock in the toilet paper and hand sanitizer manufacturers. Maybe you just panic easily. I really don’t know what your deal is.

Still zero concern. If I get it, then maybe it goes all the way up to two.

Your age and underlying conditions if any if you don’t mind?

[fuzzpower]

I am under 50, that’s all I’ll say on that part. My health is great. Worst illness I have had is bronchitis as a teenager. My diet could be better, but I not heavy. I need more fruits and vegetables. Not a smoker.

Sure, I could get infected, but I don’t let that worry me. If I do get it, I almost certainly won’t die. I want to live my life. Staying in my house for weeks is not living, it’s existing.

The media is making it out that everyone will get this and everyone will die from it. That’s extremely far from the truth.

[TC Talks]

Only 2.5% of those who will get it will die. Won't you feel like a hero if you are the person who gives the disease to someone with compromised health? No? You strike me as someone pretty self-involved.

[Honeyman]

Ive lived my life pretty much as before, fuzzy. Been to work every day, went whale watching on Sunday....that wasnt typical but I didnt avoid crowds. Didnt see any fucking whales...though a ton of dolphins. Been to the market as usual. Pretty much a homebody, Im 64 and would rather come home from work and have a beer or two with my dog than go out. Ill grill some salmon tonight for my wife and I. I admit I wash my hands a lit more.

I think you are probably too simple to understand my point. I truly hope you are right and this is all a big over reaction. But I read and have the capacity to learn and grasp knowledge, so I am going to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.