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MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2019 5:29 pm
Gotta love that clock management on the Lions' last possession.
That was one of the quickest 3-and-outs I've ever witnessed!
Hey, I'm THRILLED the Lions lost; it helps their draft standing. The fact they lost via walk-off field goal (just like at Lambeaux) made it even better!
The Lions end up with the #3 pick. The Bengals are #1 and the Redskins are #2
It kills me how some fans advocate tanking for better draft position when this organization has proven time and again that they can't recognize, develop, or KEEP talent to the extent needed to build a winner. I'm willing to give Quinn/Patricia the extra year to "trust the process" and see if there's any sign of hope for this team. Fact: The Lions have had a lead in most of their games this season. It's difficult for me to believe one high draft choice can put us "over the top", so to speak.
Besides, the idea of playing to lose is just too damn perverse and ruins the game for me.
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- Sydney J. Harris
moldyoldie wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 10:24 am
It kills me how some fans advocate tanking for better draft position when this organization has proven time and again that they can't recognize, develop, or KEEP talent to the extent needed to build a winner. I'm willing to give Quinn/Patricia the extra year to "trust the process" and see if there's any sign of hope for this team. Fact: The Lions have had a lead in most of their games this season. It's difficult for me to believe one high draft choice can put us "over the top", so to speak.
Besides, the idea of playing to lose is just too damn perverse and ruins the game for me.
Except they wouldn't have slid down several pegs. JUST ONE. From 3rd to 4th overall.
And this is Green Bay we're talking about here. Arguably the Lions' biggest rivalry. And Green Bay had a LOT at stake here. Detroit could have knocked them out of their cushy first round bye.
I'm sorry, but you ALWAYS play to beat your rivals. I don't care what your draft prospects are. Bottom line is I think the Lions as an organization would have gained more from beating Green Bay this past Sunday than by moving up one spot in the draft. Not to mention it would have been a nice consolation prize for the die-hard fans who watched them every week through their terrible losing streak.
MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:21 pm
We beat Green Bay both times last season. Yeah, that great momentum really carried over into this season, didn't it?
Tie-win-win. Yes, it did. 2-0-1 start and damn near beat the Chiefs and Packers the following 2 games.
And this Green Bay game was different than last year's - the Packers were already eliminated from playoff contention when they played the final game last year. Very different from playing for a first round bye.
MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Mon Dec 30, 2019 7:46 pm
A high draft choice can't put the Lions over the top? OK - in many cases through the decades, that's true! But that hasn't always been the case. I would contend Calvin Johnson was a transformative draft pick, for example. If the Lions were even one or two slots lower on the draft board, he wouldn't have been available, in all likelihood. If the Lions were unable to draft Johnson, they likely would not have made the playoffs at any point during the Jim Schwartz or Jim Caldwell eras.
The 2007 NFL Draft was remarkably rich with future Pro-Bowlers -- in addition to Megatron there was Joe Thomas, Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch, et al. However, let's take your contention one step further and suppose the Lions so stunk up the league the previous season that they had the #1 overall draft pick. Our starting QB at the time was journeyman Jon Kitna. Would Matt Millen have drafted legendary draft bust QB Jamarcus Russell #1 overall as did the Raiders and passed on Megatron? What's more, look at the entire Lions draft that year, especially the three 2nd-rounders -- Drew Stanton? Ikaika Alama-Francis? Gerald Alexander? I'd contend Megatron was a no-brainer at #2 overall that only a total doofus would pass up. What Millen's 2007 Draft set the stage for was the total and utter disgrace of a future 0-16 season followed by a 2-14 season.
My ultimate point is that playing for draft position is what losers do because the draft is so hit-or-miss. If the culture of this team is ever to change, tanking should NEVER EVER enter the conversation!
"The primary purpose of a liberal education is to make one's mind a pleasant place in which to spend one's leisure."
- Sydney J. Harris
My position is that the momentum came to a screeching halt when the refs handed Green Bay the first game. There were 2 horrible calls against Flowers, both at critical times, that I think if not called Detroit would have won the game. That officiating was the difference between Detroit being alone in first place and alone in last place in the division after that game ended. They never recovered from that.
Also - Moldy Oldie, I'm in full agreement that tanking should never enter the lexicon of ANY team that wants to establish a culture of winning.
bmw wrote: ↑Tue Dec 31, 2019 9:04 pm
My position is that the momentum came to a screeching halt when the refs handed Green Bay the first game. There were 2 horrible calls against Flowers, both at critical times, that I think if not called Detroit would have won the game. That officiating was the difference between Detroit being alone in first place and alone in last place in the division after that game ended. They never recovered from that.
Also - Moldy Oldie, I'm in full agreement that tanking should never enter the lexicon of ANY team that wants to establish a culture of winning.
Yep, always blame the refs instead of the team’s ineptitude. Typical Lions fan. No wonder the national media laughs at them.