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Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
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Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
Dad Cheney schooling dear daughter all the way. Calculates enough silent yet horrified anti-Trump republicans left to form a viable third political party.
Lead on, Liz!
Lead on, Liz!
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Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
You gotta know Geo Bush agrees. So does Romney. Jeb. And a load of other quiet anti-Trump Repubs. Plus a S—-load of voters all across the USA.
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Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
I see Pope Francis ( through The Doctrine of The Faith department) just tossed a wet blanket on the steamin’ US Bishops trying to deny communion to Catholic Ol’ Joe.
Bruhahahahahahahahaha!
Stupid political zealots. Apparently those guys forgot about their own sins. Sheesh!
Bruhahahahahahahahaha!
Stupid political zealots. Apparently those guys forgot about their own sins. Sheesh!
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Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
I still think it's a bit premature to read too much into the political implications stripping Liz Cheney of rank. I think the most probable outcome is that she joins the NeverTrumpers and becomes another Jeff Flake. The wedge between NeverTrump neoconservatives and the rest of the GOP does present a challenge for electability overall, but that challenge is not insurmountable and it would be unwise to treat the GOP as if it's in shambles.
The US is center-right and the raw electoral math currently favors Republicans, meaning that Democrats need more than 2-3% north of 50% of the popular vote to solidify electoral wins. Given that there are also wedges between the conservative, establishment, and progressive wings of the Democratic party (although much less vitriolic than the Trump and NeverTrump wings of the GOP), and that we're stuck in a long-lasting cycle of "change" elections, I don't consider any power balance to be stable right now.
The US is center-right and the raw electoral math currently favors Republicans, meaning that Democrats need more than 2-3% north of 50% of the popular vote to solidify electoral wins. Given that there are also wedges between the conservative, establishment, and progressive wings of the Democratic party (although much less vitriolic than the Trump and NeverTrump wings of the GOP), and that we're stuck in a long-lasting cycle of "change" elections, I don't consider any power balance to be stable right now.
I'm here for a good, hearty debate, to agree and disagree respectfully, and commiserate on the current state of terrestrial radio.
Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
So the system she took great pride in creating turned on her and spit her out... now she wants everyone to feel bad for her. Fuck off.
Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
How does the raw electoral math favor the Republicans? They’ve lost 5 of the last 8 presidential elections and 7 of 8 popular votes… that doesn’t sound tremendously favorable and the demographics continue to trend the wrong way…jadednihilist wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:34 pmI still think it's a bit premature to read too much into the political implications stripping Liz Cheney of rank. I think the most probable outcome is that she joins the NeverTrumpers and becomes another Jeff Flake. The wedge between NeverTrump neoconservatives and the rest of the GOP does present a challenge for electability overall, but that challenge is not insurmountable and it would be unwise to treat the GOP as if it's in shambles.
The US is center-right and the raw electoral math currently favors Republicans, meaning that Democrats need more than 2-3% north of 50% of the popular vote to solidify electoral wins. Given that there are also wedges between the conservative, establishment, and progressive wings of the Democratic party (although much less vitriolic than the Trump and NeverTrump wings of the GOP), and that we're stuck in a long-lasting cycle of "change" elections, I don't consider any power balance to be stable right now.
Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
Chasing out moderates and non-racist members of the Republican Party isn't the most brilliant way to win back the White House. Trump lost because a majority of the country don't want someone like that leading
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Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
Your rebuttal contains part of the answer. Republicans have won 2 of the past 8 presidential elections despite losing the popular vote. If the electoral math was 1:1 with the popular vote, a Democrat would have been President 7 out of the last 8 times (arguably more since Bush lost the popular vote in his first term). The fact of the matter is that we give power to our land, and not just our population. This is especially true in the Senate. Democrats tend to to do well in fairly compact urban (and now maybe suburban) centers, where Republicans do best in rural communities that cover the rest of the country. FiveThirtyEight has a pretty good read that goes into more detail on the subject.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:42 pmHow does the raw electoral math favor the Republicans? They’ve lost 5 of the last 8 presidential elections and 7 of 8 popular votes… that doesn’t sound tremendously favorable and the demographics continue to trend the wrong way…jadednihilist wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:34 pmI still think it's a bit premature to read too much into the political implications stripping Liz Cheney of rank. I think the most probable outcome is that she joins the NeverTrumpers and becomes another Jeff Flake. The wedge between NeverTrump neoconservatives and the rest of the GOP does present a challenge for electability overall, but that challenge is not insurmountable and it would be unwise to treat the GOP as if it's in shambles.
The US is center-right and the raw electoral math currently favors Republicans, meaning that Democrats need more than 2-3% north of 50% of the popular vote to solidify electoral wins. Given that there are also wedges between the conservative, establishment, and progressive wings of the Democratic party (although much less vitriolic than the Trump and NeverTrump wings of the GOP), and that we're stuck in a long-lasting cycle of "change" elections, I don't consider any power balance to be stable right now.
I'm here for a good, hearty debate, to agree and disagree respectfully, and commiserate on the current state of terrestrial radio.
Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
Good point. They also have several swingish states they can gerrymander to their hearts content. They are over represented in the senate and the electoral college. It gives the illusion that they have more than their actual support which is about 40% of the country. Only here would you let 40% of the people have a legitimate chance at running the show. It also discourages meaningful competition by artificially inflating their standing. They don’t have to try to come up with ideas a majority wants so they simply don’t come up with any ideas at all.jadednihilist wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:19 amYour rebuttal contains part of the answer. Republicans have won 2 of the past 8 presidential elections despite losing the popular vote. If the electoral math was 1:1 with the popular vote, a Democrat would have been President 7 out of the last 8 times (arguably more since Bush lost the popular vote in his first term). The fact of the matter is that we give power to our land, and not just our population. This is especially true in the Senate. Democrats tend to to do well in fairly compact urban (and now maybe suburban) centers, where Republicans do best in rural communities that cover the rest of the country. FiveThirtyEight has a pretty good read that goes into more detail on the subject.Rate This wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:42 pmHow does the raw electoral math favor the Republicans? They’ve lost 5 of the last 8 presidential elections and 7 of 8 popular votes… that doesn’t sound tremendously favorable and the demographics continue to trend the wrong way…jadednihilist wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:34 pmI still think it's a bit premature to read too much into the political implications stripping Liz Cheney of rank. I think the most probable outcome is that she joins the NeverTrumpers and becomes another Jeff Flake. The wedge between NeverTrump neoconservatives and the rest of the GOP does present a challenge for electability overall, but that challenge is not insurmountable and it would be unwise to treat the GOP as if it's in shambles.
The US is center-right and the raw electoral math currently favors Republicans, meaning that Democrats need more than 2-3% north of 50% of the popular vote to solidify electoral wins. Given that there are also wedges between the conservative, establishment, and progressive wings of the Democratic party (although much less vitriolic than the Trump and NeverTrump wings of the GOP), and that we're stuck in a long-lasting cycle of "change" elections, I don't consider any power balance to be stable right now.
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Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
I fully embrace the idea of a mainstream third party. Long overdue, IMO.
Morgan Wallen is a piece of garbage.
Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
You love math, tell us what the odds of a third party wedging it's way into the fray?MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:05 pmI fully embrace the idea of a mainstream third party. Long overdue, IMO.
I bet it's below 15%, but a perfect amount to keep the GOP from winning in the time of Trump.
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Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
Lady Liz has a shot at creating a true Republican Party. But she had better move fast in that direction. She had better get some well-known, anti white supremacy, anti Q crap conservatives out front along with her - in a very public way. And start it NOW.
No time to rest.
She’s made a heroic splash and now other conservative power brokers have to jump into the deep end with her. No more silence. No more sitting on the fence. Those who feel like she does have to step up and step out front - right now.
People will join in if they see a band wagon to jump on. If not - the whole “safety in numbers” armor that makes the timid bold will never get rolling.
An army of level headed republicans who abhor Trump, Q, January 6th, and insanity have to fall in line behind Liz in a strong public way. The true patriots on the conservative side have to speak up resoundingly and join Liz Cheney.
No time to rest.
She’s made a heroic splash and now other conservative power brokers have to jump into the deep end with her. No more silence. No more sitting on the fence. Those who feel like she does have to step up and step out front - right now.
People will join in if they see a band wagon to jump on. If not - the whole “safety in numbers” armor that makes the timid bold will never get rolling.
An army of level headed republicans who abhor Trump, Q, January 6th, and insanity have to fall in line behind Liz in a strong public way. The true patriots on the conservative side have to speak up resoundingly and join Liz Cheney.
Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
Won’t happen, short of one party breaking into two. Even that is the longest of longshots and would just cause the remaining unified party to win forever.MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:05 pmI fully embrace the idea of a mainstream third party. Long overdue, IMO.
Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
I agree. However, I could see some members of the GOP temporarily creating another party to show they mean business.Rate This wrote: ↑Sun May 16, 2021 11:44 amWon’t happen, short of one party breaking into two.MWmetalhead wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:05 pmI fully embrace the idea of a mainstream third party. Long overdue, IMO.
Donald Trump was and is the best president this country has ever had. And he will return to glory as our leader again.
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Re: Liz Lady Burns at the Stake for Principle. Next? A Third Party.
MTG is murdering any final shreds of dignity this party had left by comparing masks to the Holocaust. Put a muzzle on that bitch.
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The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.