They aren't even merged in a place like Chicago where mass transit is extremely strong.MWmetalhead wrote:Why aren't the proponents being forthright with regard to the economic projections of the RTA???
How come we aren't seeing how much money is projected to come from homeowners versus business owners?
What is the reason for the Detroit and SMART bus systems not merging?
Seems to me the proponents are trying to "ram this through" with as few details as possible. What are they hiding?
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Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
The AAAAAAAAAAAAAATA vote should have gone the other way. What a crock of shit and waste of money for Ann Arbor residents...NS8401 wrote:I was speaking of why the buses run empty sometimes and don't go back to the garage. There's a logical and logistical reason for it even if it appears inefficient on the surface. Many of the runs get full more than twice a day by the way. It's a well used service.craig11152 wrote:actually I do understand the economics of busing at the AAATA. Each fare only covers about 17% of the cost of the ride. BUT as I indicated I am OK with that in my city in my county.NS8401 wrote:You obviously don't understand how the mechanics and economics of busing works...craig11152 wrote:As a Washtenaw County resident I will vote no. I am happy paying for the AAATA, a service I never use because it helps a small number of my neighbors. A large number of those buses are mostly empty most of the time. Only a couple runs at prime commute time actually fill up. I do not want to pay for people who are NOT my neighbors.
Plus in the case of Washtenaw County we aren't getting much in the package.
Now tell me what I don't understand about the mechanics?
Washtenaw county gets connected to the other two systems. The whole point is to unite everything so the region has a seemless pubic system. It's the way every large city except us does it. AAATA is now a county wide entity too so it's not just your city anyways. That ship has sailed.
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
You live in an extremely liberal town where such things are extremely popular... deal with it.Matt wrote:The AAAAAAAAAAAAAATA vote should have gone the other way. What a crock of shit and waste of money for Ann Arbor residents...NS8401 wrote:I was speaking of why the buses run empty sometimes and don't go back to the garage. There's a logical and logistical reason for it even if it appears inefficient on the surface. Many of the runs get full more than twice a day by the way. It's a well used service.craig11152 wrote:actually I do understand the economics of busing at the AAATA. Each fare only covers about 17% of the cost of the ride. BUT as I indicated I am OK with that in my city in my county.NS8401 wrote:You obviously don't understand how the mechanics and economics of busing works...craig11152 wrote:As a Washtenaw County resident I will vote no. I am happy paying for the AAATA, a service I never use because it helps a small number of my neighbors. A large number of those buses are mostly empty most of the time. Only a couple runs at prime commute time actually fill up. I do not want to pay for people who are NOT my neighbors.
Plus in the case of Washtenaw County we aren't getting much in the package.
Now tell me what I don't understand about the mechanics?
Washtenaw county gets connected to the other two systems. The whole point is to unite everything so the region has a seemless pubic system. It's the way every large city except us does it. AAATA is now a county wide entity too so it's not just your city anyways. That ship has sailed.
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Tell me where you see me suggesting an empty bus go back to the garage. For the life of me I can't find that suggestion from me. I merely said a lot of buses are mostly empty during the day. I made no suggestion about those empty buses going to the garage. But maybe it does help explain why the AAATA farebox recovery ratio isn't higher. Or maybe you have a better explanation?NS8401 wrote:I was speaking of why the buses run empty sometimes and don't go back to the garage. There's a logical and logistical reason for it even if it appears inefficient on the surface. Many of the runs get full more than twice a day by the way. It's a well used service.craig11152 wrote:actually I do understand the economics of busing at the AAATA. Each fare only covers about 17% of the cost of the ride. BUT as I indicated I am OK with that in my city in my county.NS8401 wrote:You obviously don't understand how the mechanics and economics of busing works...craig11152 wrote:As a Washtenaw County resident I will vote no. I am happy paying for the AAATA, a service I never use because it helps a small number of my neighbors. A large number of those buses are mostly empty most of the time. Only a couple runs at prime commute time actually fill up. I do not want to pay for people who are NOT my neighbors.
Plus in the case of Washtenaw County we aren't getting much in the package.
Now tell me what I don't understand about the mechanics?
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Its a service. Asking it to make money is like asking the post office to make money.craig11152 wrote:Tell me where you see me suggesting an empty bus go back to the garage. For the life of me I can't find that suggestion from me. I merely said a lot of buses are mostly empty during the day. I made no suggestion about those empty buses going to the garage. But maybe it does help explain why the AAATA farebox recovery ratio isn't higher. Or maybe you have a better explanation?NS8401 wrote:I was speaking of why the buses run empty sometimes and don't go back to the garage. There's a logical and logistical reason for it even if it appears inefficient on the surface. Many of the runs get full more than twice a day by the way. It's a well used service.craig11152 wrote:actually I do understand the economics of busing at the AAATA. Each fare only covers about 17% of the cost of the ride. BUT as I indicated I am OK with that in my city in my county.NS8401 wrote:You obviously don't understand how the mechanics and economics of busing works...craig11152 wrote:As a Washtenaw County resident I will vote no. I am happy paying for the AAATA, a service I never use because it helps a small number of my neighbors. A large number of those buses are mostly empty most of the time. Only a couple runs at prime commute time actually fill up. I do not want to pay for people who are NOT my neighbors.
Plus in the case of Washtenaw County we aren't getting much in the package.
Now tell me what I don't understand about the mechanics?
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Clearly I've hit a raw nerve because you are normally smarter than this......where did I ask it to make money? Where did I suggest the farebox recovery ratio be at or over 100%? The answer is I DIDN"TNS8401 wrote: Its a service. Asking it to make money is like asking the post office to make money.
But I believe AAATA farebox recovery rate is a fair amount below the national average. Its way below some of the more successful mass transit systems in the U.S. Rather than rely on passengers to pay their way to a greater degree we tax the crap out of people who don't use the system to subsidize those who do at a greater rate than the national average. So when I see AAATA farebox recovery ratios around 17% , Detroit at 14% and several systems in the US well above 40%, some over 50% it gives me pause. It makes me think they could do better by "we the people"
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
They have a H*** contract with U of M too so factor that in... it's not reflected in farebox numbers...craig11152 wrote:Clearly I've hit a raw nerve because you are normally smarter than this......where did I ask it to make money? Where did I suggest the farebox recovery ratio be at or over 100%? The answer is I DIDN"TNS8401 wrote: Its a service. Asking it to make money is like asking the post office to make money.
But I believe AAATA farebox recovery rate is a fair amount below the national average. Its way below some of the more successful mass transit systems in the U.S. Rather than rely on passengers to pay their way to a greater degree we tax the crap out of people who don't use the system to subsidize those who do at a greater rate than the national average. So when I see AAATA farebox recovery ratios around 17% , Detroit at 14% and several systems in the US well above 40%, some over 50% it gives me pause. It makes me think they could do better by "we the people"
Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Ann Arbor is not a liberal city. It is a Democrat elite city... H*** difference...NS8401 wrote:You live in an extremely liberal town where such things are extremely popular... deal with it.Matt wrote:The AAAAAAAAAAAAAATA vote should have gone the other way. What a crock of shit and waste of money for Ann Arbor residents...NS8401 wrote:I was speaking of why the buses run empty sometimes and don't go back to the garage. There's a logical and logistical reason for it even if it appears inefficient on the surface. Many of the runs get full more than twice a day by the way. It's a well used service.craig11152 wrote:actually I do understand the economics of busing at the AAATA. Each fare only covers about 17% of the cost of the ride. BUT as I indicated I am OK with that in my city in my county.NS8401 wrote:You obviously don't understand how the mechanics and economics of busing works...craig11152 wrote:As a Washtenaw County resident I will vote no. I am happy paying for the AAATA, a service I never use because it helps a small number of my neighbors. A large number of those buses are mostly empty most of the time. Only a couple runs at prime commute time actually fill up. I do not want to pay for people who are NOT my neighbors.
Plus in the case of Washtenaw County we aren't getting much in the package.
Now tell me what I don't understand about the mechanics?
Washtenaw county gets connected to the other two systems. The whole point is to unite everything so the region has a seemless pubic system. It's the way every large city except us does it. AAATA is now a county wide entity too so it's not just your city anyways. That ship has sailed.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.
Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Ann Arbor is not a liberal city. It is a Democrat elite city... H*** difference...NS8401 wrote:You live in an extremely liberal town where such things are extremely popular... deal with it.Matt wrote:The AAAAAAAAAAAAAATA vote should have gone the other way. What a crock of shit and waste of money for Ann Arbor residents...NS8401 wrote:I was speaking of why the buses run empty sometimes and don't go back to the garage. There's a logical and logistical reason for it even if it appears inefficient on the surface. Many of the runs get full more than twice a day by the way. It's a well used service.craig11152 wrote:actually I do understand the economics of busing at the AAATA. Each fare only covers about 17% of the cost of the ride. BUT as I indicated I am OK with that in my city in my county.NS8401 wrote:You obviously don't understand how the mechanics and economics of busing works...craig11152 wrote:As a Washtenaw County resident I will vote no. I am happy paying for the AAATA, a service I never use because it helps a small number of my neighbors. A large number of those buses are mostly empty most of the time. Only a couple runs at prime commute time actually fill up. I do not want to pay for people who are NOT my neighbors.
Plus in the case of Washtenaw County we aren't getting much in the package.
Now tell me what I don't understand about the mechanics?
Washtenaw county gets connected to the other two systems. The whole point is to unite everything so the region has a seemless pubic system. It's the way every large city except us does it. AAATA is now a county wide entity too so it's not just your city anyways. That ship has sailed.
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Give RalphKramden8401 a break. I am certain he's doing the best he can with whatever he has to work with. In any event, I am not willing to pay for a service I will never use. If it's a bus, that would mean a long, cold walk in the winter down Telegraph in my golashes to wherever that bus may stop (Maple Rd?) may be. I don't know. If we are talking light rail, then how am I getting there? My guess is, I'll be getting the car out, and driving somewhere to catch the train. Then, I'll park the car in a lot at the train station, as some people do in suburban Chicagoland, and wait for the train. With that amount of time and rigmarole involved, I may as well just drive the rest of the way to work. If you want mass transit, then find a way pay for it yourself. If it's such a great idea, that shouldn't be a problem. Right?
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Why is it that we drag our heels on this stuff and everybody else just does it?Colonel Flagg wrote:Give RalphKramden8401 a break. I am certain he's doing the best he can with whatever he has to work with. In any event, I am not willing to pay for a service I will never use. If it's a bus, that would mean a long, cold walk in the winter down Telegraph in my golashes to wherever that bus may stop (Maple Rd?) may be. I don't know. If we are talking light rail, then how am I getting there? My guess is, I'll be getting the car out, and driving somewhere to catch the train. Then, I'll park the car in a lot at the train station, as some people do in suburban Chicagoland, and wait for the train. With that amount of time and rigmarole involved, I may as well just drive the rest of the way to work. If you want mass transit, then find a way pay for it yourself. If it's such a great idea, that shouldn't be a problem. Right?
Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Half are Republicans that couldn't win with an R next to their name...Matt wrote:Ann Arbor is not a liberal city. It is a Democrat elite city... H*** difference...NS8401 wrote:You live in an extremely liberal town where such things are extremely popular... deal with it.Matt wrote:The AAAAAAAAAAAAAATA vote should have gone the other way. What a crock of shit and waste of money for Ann Arbor residents...NS8401 wrote:I was speaking of why the buses run empty sometimes and don't go back to the garage. There's a logical and logistical reason for it even if it appears inefficient on the surface. Many of the runs get full more than twice a day by the way. It's a well used service.craig11152 wrote:actually I do understand the economics of busing at the AAATA. Each fare only covers about 17% of the cost of the ride. BUT as I indicated I am OK with that in my city in my county.NS8401 wrote:You obviously don't understand how the mechanics and economics of busing works...craig11152 wrote:As a Washtenaw County resident I will vote no. I am happy paying for the AAATA, a service I never use because it helps a small number of my neighbors. A large number of those buses are mostly empty most of the time. Only a couple runs at prime commute time actually fill up. I do not want to pay for people who are NOT my neighbors.
Plus in the case of Washtenaw County we aren't getting much in the package.
Now tell me what I don't understand about the mechanics?
Washtenaw county gets connected to the other two systems. The whole point is to unite everything so the region has a seemless pubic system. It's the way every large city except us does it. AAATA is now a county wide entity too so it's not just your city anyways. That ship has sailed.
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
It is in my estimates and the tax payers own the University. So when the University strikes a deal it is still the tax payers footing the bill.NS8401 wrote: They have a H*** contract with U of M too so factor that in... it's not reflected in farebox numbers...
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Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
True but they are a billion dollar business too... it probably makes some money...craig11152 wrote:It is in my estimates and the tax payers own the University. So when the University strikes a deal it is still the tax payers footing the bill.NS8401 wrote: They have a H*** contract with U of M too so factor that in... it's not reflected in farebox numbers...
I was just thinking (not really at you Craig) that in "the good old days when folks made it on their own", collectivism and helping lift everyone up was the order of the day... this not helping other folks because they need to go it alone is all new thinking relatively speaking...
Re: Regional Transit Authority of Southeast Michigan
Nope. The taxpayers are an extreme minority share in the university: http://obp.umich.edu/wp-content/uploads ... _16-17.pdfcraig11152 wrote:It is in my estimates and the tax payers own the University. So when the University strikes a deal it is still the tax payers footing the bill.NS8401 wrote: They have a H*** contract with U of M too so factor that in... it's not reflected in farebox numbers...
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