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Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Covers all of Northern Lower Michigan (from Ludington to Tawas northward), as well as the Straits Area and Soo Region.
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Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by WC8KCY » Thu Oct 22, 2015 6:56 pm

WPBN/WTOM: I wonder if those are old ID slides on the monitors in the third frame.
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Graphics from April 10, 1996 newscast:
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WGTU/WGTQ: This ID is from 1990 or so
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WFRV: These logos are from 1986. Circle 5 logo was introduced with affiliation change to ABC in 1983. Big 5 logo was a carryover from the NBC days.
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1986 News anchors Mary Smits and Jay Johnson, along with news graphics package. 11PM newscasts typically closed with credits backgrounded with night aerial footage from the Live Eye news chopper--here flying over Menasha, WI.:
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1986 Severe Thunderstorm Warning cut-in
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Weather Watch 5 severe weather alert bugs in lower left: W for Watch, W with Thunderbolt for a Severe Thunderstorm Warning. A W with a funnel cloud signified...well, you get it. These slides left artifacts when in use, washing out the upper right of the screen, and showing a crease in the far upper right that can be seen in these two frames if you look closely.
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In 1986 WJMN was only ID'd at the top of the hour with a murky colour slide, and in-program near the bottom of the hour. Apologies for the multipathed image in the second frame, but it does show how dusty the slides got. A black and white slide was used well into the 1980s. Aside from the 30-minute mandated IDs, WJMN was only identified as WFRV.
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After WJMN became a CBS O&O, the slides were finally retired. These are from 1992:
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WLUK on September 10, 1987:
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1987 WLUC "Nascar 6" and rainbow:
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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by Arthur Mometer » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:09 pm

I want a video with 10 kHz cochannel lines and 10 kHz audio on that WPBN test pattern. It was great turning the rotator back and forth to see and hear that. And yes, I think I did see WPBN 7, but oddly enough, I never remember seeing WTOM 4. I was just far enough away from WWJ-TV and WXYZ-TV to tune these in, inside the Grade A for WXYZ-TV and the Grade B for WWJ-TV, since the City and Grade A went out further for WXYZ-TV, and the Grade B went out further for WWJ-TV. The 316 kW was a definite advantage closer in. Seems like I saw WTMJ-TV on tropo, and maybe Indianapolis on Channel 4 also.


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Post by Milk » Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:54 pm

Great finds, WC8KCY!

I really liked 7&4's news set from the 1970s. Those shapes on the wall were a little weird, though.

Awesome that you posted Don Melvoin and his "Deputy Don" and "Count Zappula" personas. Truly a great man who became a local legend. Same with the late, great Dave Walker.

7&4 had some cool graphics in the 90s. I really loved their "Newschannel" approach. It's amazing that they even did the 24-hour format for several years, despite very little news at times, especially in northern Michigan.

I do wish that somebody would post the full 50-year special on YouTube.



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Post by TheForce » Fri Oct 23, 2015 7:32 pm

Old School = Better
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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by Milk » Sat Oct 24, 2015 1:29 am

There is a clip of Deputy Don on YouTube; too bad it's somebody pointing a camera at a TV as it's playing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Okz6gt6s7OA



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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by WC8KCY » Sat Oct 24, 2015 4:51 am

Milk wrote:Great finds, WC8KCY!

I really liked 7&4's news set from the 1970s. Those shapes on the wall were a little weird, though.

Awesome that you posted Don Melvoin and his "Deputy Don" and "Count Zappula" personas. Truly a great man who became a local legend. Same with the late, great Dave Walker.

7&4 had some cool graphics in the 90s. I really loved their "Newschannel" approach. It's amazing that they even did the 24-hour format for several years, despite very little news at times, especially in northern Michigan.

I do wish that somebody would post the full 50-year special on YouTube.
Milk, this stuff all comes from my tape archives. I have the 7&4 and the 9&10(&13) 50th Anniversary specials on hand. I wish the station I've been associated with, WFRV, did a 50th special, but...that would begin with WNAM-TV going dark and the failure of many UHF stations in the 1950s. Anyhow, PM me if you'd like to arrange a viewing.

One thing that's painfully obvious: WLUK's graphcs in the mid '80s were a lot more modern than at WFRV.

Count Zappula was my favorite 7&4 personality. Growing up near Escanaba, I spent an occasional Saturday night tweaking the antenna rotor to see if 7 or 4 was going to come in better for "Saturday Night Dead". Up there, WSAW often interfered with WPBN, and WTMJ sometimes interfered with WTOM.

It's been mentioned before, but the "Northern Michigan's Beam Of Light" era really turned me off to 7&4. We had a legendary Channel Master 3617B antenna atop a 47-foot tower in the 1980s, and could surf between WTMJ, WTOM, WPBN, WLUK, and WAEO/WJFW for NBC programming. Usually WAEO/WJFW came in the best.


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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by WC8KCY » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:30 am

Here's footage of Count Zappula on 29&8...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06wiJcURbM8


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Post by organman95 » Wed Oct 28, 2015 8:21 am

Those are great! I don't remember "24 Hour Weather" though. I was just a young kid in the 90s though...

I have the 7&4 Anniversary special on tape somewhere. Wish I had 9&10. I hope 29&8 can pull something for their 50th in 2021



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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by rugratsonline » Sat Oct 31, 2015 1:25 am

One has to wonder why WFRV / WJMN didn't use electronics for everything -- not just promos and news? By using slides for IDs and bulletins, it's just like a 2015 Chevy Impala having a body of the 1972 model.

I also noticed that one of the pics from WLUK's newscasts had "Pre-Recorded" superimposed on it. Looks like either a slide (a bad one at that) or an older-model character generator (also a bad one at that).



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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by WC8KCY » Sat Oct 31, 2015 4:29 pm

rugratsonline wrote:One has to wonder why WFRV / WJMN didn't use electronics for everything -- not just promos and news? By using slides for IDs and bulletins, it's just like a 2015 Chevy Impala having a body of the 1972 model.

I also noticed that one of the pics from WLUK's newscasts had "Pre-Recorded" superimposed on it. Looks like either a slide (a bad one at that) or an older-model character generator (also a bad one at that).
It was really a hodgepodge in the '80s. WFRV could air this, where the waves behind "WFRV-TV 5" were CGI animated...

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and follow it up with an A&W commercial that went through a series of slides listing locations.

Given that companies such as Knox made some pretty decent character generators by the middle '80s that were relatively easy to use and cost just a few thousand, it is indeed surprising to observe slides and old character generators still in use at the time these images were aired. Surely stations in the Green Bay market could've found it cost and time efficient to add a secondary generator instead of continuing with the hassle of slide production and deployment. I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it...


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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by stevebaxley » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:23 pm

anyone have the cursive 7&4 logo from the newswatch 7&4 early days



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Post by organman95 » Wed Nov 04, 2015 9:44 pm

When was Newswatch?



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Post by Milk » Thu Nov 05, 2015 4:51 am

1980s



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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by msommers » Thu Nov 05, 2015 8:16 am

How can I post a picture on here? I have the 7 & 4 logo from the 70's


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Re: Old School 7&4, 29&8, WFRV/WJMN, WLUK

Post by organman95 » Thu Nov 05, 2015 1:09 pm

When you click "Post Reply" scroll under this box, and "File Name" click "Browse" find it, and "Submit"

Look forward to the logo...



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