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One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by innate-in-you » Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:25 pm

rugratsonline wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 8:34 pm
sinklair wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 10:00 am
Sinclair Broadcast Group needs to be broken up by the FCC.

25-66 forced its stations to run politically slanted news stories. It forces its anchors to read corporate mandated promos.
The fact they are owned by Sinclair, where they have a high right-wing corporate bias and mandate its stations to run certain programs and segments, makes me turn them off altogether. Currently, I live in Maine, where I actually have a choice of two CBS outlets -- WABI in Bangor, owned by Gray and a sister to WJRT; and WGME Portland, owned by Sinclair. I prefer WABI for CBS and ignore WGME altogether, though I couldn't help catching a WGME newscast while at a local restaurant, where they now use an American flag in their news open and the bottom captions. (Does Sinclair make 25-66 use that style as well?)

On the Grand Rapids forum, it was mentioned that WWMT, sister to 25-66, was reporting less on the recent protests / riots in Grand Rapids, sticking to its normal programming while the competition continued extended coverage. While they are licensed to Kalamazoo, WWMT represents CBS for the entire market.
WKNX-TV was a UHF orphan. Nobody knew Channel 57 even existed - because TV sets didn't have UHF tuners.

They only became significant in the late 1960's, when new sets had UHF tuners, they moved to channel 25 and a new taller tower (increasing range), and greatly increased their power.



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by rugratsonline » Sun Jun 07, 2020 3:07 pm

innate-in-you wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:25 pm
WKNX-TV was a UHF orphan. Nobody knew Channel 57 even existed - because TV sets didn't have UHF tuners.

They only became significant in the late 1960's, when new sets had UHF tuners, they moved to channel 25 and a new taller tower (increasing range), and greatly increased their power.
Amazed that they survived long enough to move to channel 25 in 1965 -- many UHF stations had folded prior to the mid-1960s, as viewers that got VHF stations preferred them over UHF. The only exceptions were in markets where UHF was the only choice (such as Lexington, Rockford or Youngstown).



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by Herm » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:00 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:51 am
Herm wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:32 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
And then the same owner for 9. It would seem that the routine you referenced stop being a routine approximately 16 years ago. Try to keep up with the times if you’re going to participate in a discussion.
That nine years is an anomaly.
Followed by another 7 years of the same owner.
It would seem that the anomaly was actually the start of a new routine.
In fact, one routine last for 8 years and the other has lasted for 16. It would seem that the routine you laid out is the actual anomaly.



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by CK-722 » Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:19 pm

Like WKNX-TV, WTAC-TV 16 was first envisioned to serve only a small local area. It only stayed on the air for four months in 1953-1954. It broadcast from a 470 foot tower at 2302 Lapeer Rd in Flint, that now is the location of the present Studios of WJRT-TV 12. WKNX-TV 57 survived by moving to 25, going big, and providing wide area service for CBS (before that time, WJIM-TV 6 placed Grade B service for CBS, but nowhere near City Grade Service, over Genesee County).

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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by lovinlife101 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:12 am

Herm wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:00 pm
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:51 am
Herm wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:32 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
And then the same owner for 9. It would seem that the routine you referenced stop being a routine approximately 16 years ago. Try to keep up with the times if you’re going to participate in a discussion.
That nine years is an anomaly.
Followed by another 7 years of the same owner.
It would seem that the anomaly was actually the start of a new routine.
In fact, one routine last for 8 years and the other has lasted for 16. It would seem that the routine you laid out is the actual anomaly.
There was no other nine year ownership. It’s the dictionary definition of an anomaly.



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by Herm » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:50 am

lovinlife101 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:12 am
Herm wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:00 pm
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:51 am
Herm wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:32 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
And then the same owner for 9. It would seem that the routine you referenced stop being a routine approximately 16 years ago. Try to keep up with the times if you’re going to participate in a discussion.
That nine years is an anomaly.
Followed by another 7 years of the same owner.
It would seem that the anomaly was actually the start of a new routine.
In fact, one routine last for 8 years and the other has lasted for 16. It would seem that the routine you laid out is the actual anomaly.
There was no other nine year ownership. It’s the dictionary definition of an anomaly.
You referenced a routine, implying a repeated set of occurrences. So now you want to use the length of each individual ownership. Okay, none of these time frames are the same. It would seem, based on the dictionary definition of an anomaly, that they are each an anomaly. If this is the case, then where is this routine that you originally referenced?
You are also conveniently leaving out the last 6.5 years under the current ownership.
Maybe you should just move on.



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by lovinlife101 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 8:23 am

Multiple ownerships, multiple managers, multiple ineffective employees, multiple failures.

I just wrote that station’s memoirs (look it up).



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by Herm » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:07 am

lovinlife101 wrote:
Sat Jun 06, 2020 9:36 am



In 2013, the station had been sold again, which happened every two to three years routinely, ...
I looked it up! Here is actually what you said.



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by lovinlife101 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:12 am

lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
Routine, yo.



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by Herm » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:15 am

lovinlife101 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:12 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
Routine, yo.
Get current, yo



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by lovinlife101 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:46 am

Herm wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:15 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:12 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
Routine, yo.
Get current, yo
History teacher: "Let's begin by looking at historical data in order to glean insight on how events could have happened and whether we can predict with any certainty whether those events or other events will occur."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

History teacher: "Uh, next time I suggest raising your hand and being called on before interrupting the class, but as I was saying yesterday..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time with talk of yesterday. Get current, yo."

History teacher: "But looking at the past is vital to..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

Frank Manley: "I don't play."

History teacher: "Frank Manley? Why are you in this class?"

Frank Manley: "I want to learn about history, yo."

History teacher: "Great, it's kind of what I studied in college. It's my passion. And the importance of historical facts are..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

Kool-Aid Man: "Oh yeah!"

History teacher: "Kool-Aid Man? What are you doing here? And why did you destroy by classroom wall?"

Kool-Aid Man: "It's my thing, yo."

Macho Man back from the dead: "Your copied my catchphrase, yo!"

Kool-Aid Man: "YOU COPIED MY CATCHPHRASE! I've been 'Oh, yeah' since 1954. Historical facts, yo."

Frank Manley: "Need an attorney to sue for copyright infringement? I don't play!"

Macho Man: "I don't say 'Oh, yeah.' It's "Oooooooooh, yeeeeeeeeeeah!"

Vanilla Ice: "Seems plausible."

Herm: "Get current, yo."



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by Herm » Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:53 am

lovinlife101 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:46 am
Herm wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:15 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:12 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
Routine, yo.
Get current, yo
History teacher: "Let's begin by looking at historical data in order to glean insight on how events could have happened and whether we can predict with any certainty whether those events or other events will occur."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

History teacher: "Uh, next time I suggest raising your hand and being called on before interrupting the class, but as I was saying yesterday..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time with talk of yesterday. Get current, yo."

History teacher: "But looking at the past is vital to..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

Frank Manley: "I don't play."

History teacher: "Frank Manley? Why are you in this class?"

Frank Manley: "I want to learn about history, yo."

History teacher: "Great, it's kind of what I studied in college. It's my passion. And the importance of historical facts are..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

Kool-Aid Man: "Oh yeah!"

History teacher: "Kool-Aid Man? What are you doing here? And why did you destroy by classroom wall?"

Kool-Aid Man: "It's my thing, yo."

Macho Man back from the dead: "Your copied my catchphrase, yo!"

Kool-Aid Man: "YOU COPIED MY CATCHPHRASE! I've been 'Oh, yeah' since 1954. Historical facts, yo."

Frank Manley: "Need an attorney to sue for copyright infringement? I don't play!"

Macho Man: "I don't say 'Oh, yeah.' It's "Oooooooooh, yeeeeeeeeeeah!"

Vanilla Ice: "Seems plausible."

Herm: "Get current, yo."
Keep deflecting.

Lovinlife101 - Drawing and quartering happens routinely.

Everyone other than Lovinlife101 - Drawing and quartering hasn’t been a routine for 150 years.

Lovinlife101 - Look it up!



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by lovinlife101 » Mon Jun 08, 2020 10:48 am

Herm wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:53 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:46 am
Herm wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:15 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Mon Jun 08, 2020 9:12 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 8:27 am
1996 Smith Broadcasting, 1997 Sunrise, 2002 Lin, then 2004 Barrington Broadcasting.

Four owners in eight years.
Routine, yo.
Get current, yo
History teacher: "Let's begin by looking at historical data in order to glean insight on how events could have happened and whether we can predict with any certainty whether those events or other events will occur."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

History teacher: "Uh, next time I suggest raising your hand and being called on before interrupting the class, but as I was saying yesterday..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time with talk of yesterday. Get current, yo."

History teacher: "But looking at the past is vital to..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

Frank Manley: "I don't play."

History teacher: "Frank Manley? Why are you in this class?"

Frank Manley: "I want to learn about history, yo."

History teacher: "Great, it's kind of what I studied in college. It's my passion. And the importance of historical facts are..."

Herm: "Don't waste your time. Get current, yo."

Kool-Aid Man: "Oh yeah!"

History teacher: "Kool-Aid Man? What are you doing here? And why did you destroy by classroom wall?"

Kool-Aid Man: "It's my thing, yo."

Macho Man back from the dead: "Your copied my catchphrase, yo!"

Kool-Aid Man: "YOU COPIED MY CATCHPHRASE! I've been 'Oh, yeah' since 1954. Historical facts, yo."

Frank Manley: "Need an attorney to sue for copyright infringement? I don't play!"

Macho Man: "I don't say 'Oh, yeah.' It's "Oooooooooh, yeeeeeeeeeeah!"

Vanilla Ice: "Seems plausible."

Herm: "Get current, yo."
Keep deflecting.

Lovinlife101 - Drawing and quartering happens routinely.

Everyone other than Lovinlife101 - Drawing and quartering hasn’t been a routine for 150 years.

Lovinlife101 - Look it up!
150 years ago was so 2004.



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Re: One big mistake or a series of mistakes? What was it?

Post by rugratsonline » Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:16 pm

CK-722 wrote:
Sun Jun 07, 2020 9:19 pm
WKNX-TV 57 survived by moving to 25, going big, and providing wide area service for CBS (before that time, WJIM-TV 6 placed Grade B service for CBS, but nowhere near City Grade Service, over Genesee County).
...but at least strong enough for WJIM to actually include Flint in its station IDs and TV Guide ads.



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