Guns kill Children

[TC Talks]

Anti-abortion nuts, eplain how you can defend guns and yet claim abortions kill children (they don't btw)...

Guns are a leading cause of death for children. Is this God's will?

A 2-yearold boy in Michigan has died from a gunshot wound after police believe he was left alone in a car with an unsecured firearm. Lansing police said the incident took place outside a gas station Tuesday afternoon, where they found the boy with a gunshot wound. The toddler was transported to a hospital where he later succumbed to his injuries.

“It is believed the child was alone in the car and had unsupervised access to an unsecured gun,” Jordan Gulkis, a spokesperson for the Lansing Police Department, told The Associated Press in a statement Thursday.

[craig11152]

A gun is an inanimate object that just sits there until somebody picks it up.
While cars technically kill people its the bad driver we actually blame.

[Deleted User 9015]

When you look at the stats, it seems poor gun ownership behaviors and participation in illegal drug trade are among the main reasons younger people die when firearms are involved. Obviously, many gun owners do not practice safe storage practices in their homes. Considering the frequency at which kids shoot themselves or others with unsecured weapons, perhaps communities should maintain records of gun owners with underage children that are used to do audits on how well their firearms are being stored in the home.

[Bryce]

When you look at the stats, it seems poor gun ownership behaviors and participation in illegal drug trade are among the main reasons younger people die when firearms are involved. Obviously, many gun owners do not practice safe storage practices in their homes. Considering the frequency at which kids shoot themselves or others with unsecured weapons, perhaps communities should maintain records of gun owners with underage children that are used to do audits on how well their firearms are being stored in the home.

I have a feeling that most of the firearms that cause these kind of accidents aren't registered in the first place or are in the possession of people that own them illegally. I'd love to see a study done on that.

Are responsible gun owners to be penalized because of the actions of an irresponsible few? Or, should we crack down harder, with much harsher penalties, on people caught in the possession of an illegal firearm?

[Turkeytop]

Nothing is going to change. In the days following the Sandy Hook shootings, a video was shown on TV of one of the victims, a little girl. She was playng Come Thou Almighty King on the piano. She ended with the sweetest missing tooth smile. If that didn't change anyone's heart, nothing will.

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When you look at the stats, it seems poor gun ownership behaviors and participation in illegal drug trade are among the main reasons younger people die when firearms are involved. Obviously, many gun owners do not practice safe storage practices in their homes. Considering the frequency at which kids shoot themselves or others with unsecured weapons, perhaps communities should maintain records of gun owners with underage children that are used to do audits on how well their firearms are being stored in the home.

I have a feeling that most of the firearms that cause these kind of accidents aren't registered in the first place or are in the possession of people that own them illegally. I'd love to see a study done on that.

Are responsible gun owners to be penalized because of the actions of an irresponsible few? Or, should we crack down harder, with much harsher penalties, on people caught in the possession of an illegal firearm?

The surveillance image from the Maine shooting which was at a youth bowling league is a guy going in Rambo style with a weapon nobody has a valid rationale for owning with one purpose… to quickly and efficiently kill things. Prove to me its existence isn’t for that purpose and it has a valid use other than that. Go ahead and tell me how many other things it can do. I’ll wait. Handguns like those often used in cases where a kid shoots himself or something may have a slightly better rationale but not much better. But the technology of 1789 is what should be legal. We are told the context of when it was ratified matters. None of these other things existed at that time. They can be made illegal and it should easily stand a court challenge using logic we were provided last year in the New York case about gun bans.

Outside of countries in the third world we are the only place either mass killings or accidental shootings happen regularly… that’s instructive.

[Deleted User 9015]

I have a feeling that most of the firearms that cause these kind of accidents aren't registered in the first place or are in the possession of people that own them illegally. I'd love to see a study done on that.

It seems like there hasn't been much recearch on that. From what I can find, it seems like in most cases, the gun was legally owned. However, enough data exists that a robust study could be done on this, that would be nice, but it just seems that plenty of gun owners are not careful with their firearms.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2801915

But then the research was probably done by libs.

Are responsible gun owners to be penalized because of the actions of an irresponsible few? Or, should we crack down harder, with much harsher penalties, on people caught in the possession of an illegal firearm?

When about 18% of people in a sample are admitting to being irresponsible and most cases involve legally owned firearms, then I think we are stretching the definition of "few" a bit thin. But yes, crack down harder on people found to possess a firearm illegally. It won't scare criminals away from possessing the weapon but it will get criminals off the street, particularly those in drug and sex trafficking.

[Bryce]

When you look at the stats, it seems poor gun ownership behaviors and participation in illegal drug trade are among the main reasons younger people die when firearms are involved. Obviously, many gun owners do not practice safe storage practices in their homes. Considering the frequency at which kids shoot themselves or others with unsecured weapons, perhaps communities should maintain records of gun owners with underage children that are used to do audits on how well their firearms are being stored in the home.

I have a feeling that most of the firearms that cause these kind of accidents aren't registered in the first place or are in the possession of people that own them illegally. I'd love to see a study done on that.

Are responsible gun owners to be penalized because of the actions of an irresponsible few? Or, should we crack down harder, with much harsher penalties, on people caught in the possession of an illegal firearm?

The surveillance image from the Maine shooting which was at a youth bowling league is a guy going in Rambo style with a weapon nobody has a valid rationale for owning with one purpose… to quickly and efficiently kill things. Prove to me its existence isn’t for that purpose and it has a valid use other than that. Go ahead and tell me how many other things it can do. I’ll wait. Handguns like those often used in cases where a kid shoots himself or something may have a slightly better rationale but not much better. But the technology of 1789 is what should be legal. We are told the context of when it was ratified matters. None of these other things existed at that time. They can be made illegal and it should easily stand a court challenge using logic we were provided last year in the New York case about gun bans.

Outside of countries in the third world we are the only place either mass killings or accidental shootings happen regularly… that’s instructive.

It would seem that the "gun" wasn't the driving force in this situation.

Family of Maine shooting suspect says his mental health had deteriorated rapidly
Robert Card’s sister-in-law said relatives contacted his Army Reserve unit and police after he began hearing voices

Seems like the Army and police dropped the ball on this one.

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When you look at the stats, it seems poor gun ownership behaviors and participation in illegal drug trade are among the main reasons younger people die when firearms are involved. Obviously, many gun owners do not practice safe storage practices in their homes. Considering the frequency at which kids shoot themselves or others with unsecured weapons, perhaps communities should maintain records of gun owners with underage children that are used to do audits on how well their firearms are being stored in the home.

I have a feeling that most of the firearms that cause these kind of accidents aren't registered in the first place or are in the possession of people that own them illegally. I'd love to see a study done on that.

Are responsible gun owners to be penalized because of the actions of an irresponsible few? Or, should we crack down harder, with much harsher penalties, on people caught in the possession of an illegal firearm?

The surveillance image from the Maine shooting which was at a youth bowling league is a guy going in Rambo style with a weapon nobody has a valid rationale for owning with one purpose… to quickly and efficiently kill things. Prove to me its existence isn’t for that purpose and it has a valid use other than that. Go ahead and tell me how many other things it can do. I’ll wait. Handguns like those often used in cases where a kid shoots himself or something may have a slightly better rationale but not much better. But the technology of 1789 is what should be legal. We are told the context of when it was ratified matters. None of these other things existed at that time. They can be made illegal and it should easily stand a court challenge using logic we were provided last year in the New York case about gun bans.

Outside of countries in the third world we are the only place either mass killings or accidental shootings happen regularly… that’s instructive.

It would seem that the "gun" wasn't the driving force in this situation.

Family of Maine shooting suspect says his mental health had deteriorated rapidly
Robert Card’s sister-in-law said relatives contacted his Army Reserve unit and police after he began hearing voices

Seems like the Army and police dropped the ball on this one.

We really need to set the mental hospitals back up.... That would start with repealing the community mental health act of 1963.

But how many people could he kill with a musket before someone stopped him or with some sort of other low capacity gun? If you want the things lets at least make them reasonable ones you can own. An AR15 isn't really reasonable... it's cartoonish. Besides... The government can annihilate any rebels without even showing up in person if that's the hangup here.

[Bryce]

Didn't work so well in Israel and their military is better than ours.

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Didn't work so well in Israel and their military is better than ours.

I'm not so sure that's true. They talked about invading for a week and a half before they did anything on the ground. Nice element of surprise. But if push comes to shove a bunch of bombs or a nuke solves many problems that will vaporize or blast a gun to bits. I do not recommend you bring a gun to an aerial bombardment.

[Turkeytop]

The surveillance image from the Maine shooting which was at a youth bowling league is a guy going in Rambo style with a weapon nobody has a valid rationale for owning with one purpose… to quickly and efficiently kill things. Prove to me its existence isn’t for that purpose and it has a valid use other than that. Go ahead and tell me how many other things it can do. I’ll wait. Handguns like those often used in cases where a kid shoots himself or something may have a slightly better rationale but not much better. But the technology of 1789 is what should be legal. We are told the context of when it was ratified matters. None of these other things existed at that time. They can be made illegal and it should easily stand a court challenge using logic we were provided last year in the New York case about gun bans.

Outside of countries in the third world we are the only place either mass killings or accidental shootings happen regularly… that’s instructive.

Where were all the good guys with guns, while this was going down?

[Bryce]

Israel has numerous gun restrictions on who can own guns and what type of guns they can own.

Betcha 50 bucks those restrictions will be loosened in the near future.

[Mega Hertz]

Unrelated, but my heart breaks for that poor child. To have your life ended at two years old just hurts. That isn't right.

[Bryce]

And, how about anybody reported to a government agency by a family member purporting mental illness we have a home visit, ask questions, and have a search of the entire premise for weapons and if found confiscate them.

If that happened in this case, probably could have saved 18 lives.