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Anyone covering the debate tonight??

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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by bmw » Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:18 am

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Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:49 am
...she said weird things like “The Governor glorifies criminals and wants to defund the police” both of which are patently false. But how the hell are you supposed to address and swat that away in 30 seconds? It’s next to impossible to address all of that in 30 seconds.
That's not factually correct. Dixon's exact quote was "It must be so embarrassing for the governor that it's actually on tape that she said she supports the spirit of defund the police. That's the truth."

Whitmer did, in fact, use those exact words in 2020, saying she supports "the spirit" of defunding the police. Instead of addressing her past comment when called out, Whitmer said that's nothing more than "rhetoric" and then talked about she worked with law enforcement as a prosecutor. Well, she made those comments long after her time as prosecutor. She seemed more interested in talking about gun control than she did supporting law enforcement.

Also, how about this deceptive claim from Whitmer regarding Dixon's position on gun violence?

"The same month as the Oxford school shooting for four children were murdered, eight were injured and the community was terrorized, Tudor Dixon posted on her social media a picture of her shooting a gun with the caption that said, ‘Gun control means using both hands.’"

Talk about deceptive. Yes, she did make that post in the same month. But BEFORE the shooting. She made the post on November 1st. The shooting happened on November 30th.



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by Rate This » Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:31 am

bmw wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:18 am
Rate This wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 9:49 am
...she said weird things like “The Governor glorifies criminals and wants to defund the police” both of which are patently false. But how the hell are you supposed to address and swat that away in 30 seconds? It’s next to impossible to address all of that in 30 seconds.
That's not factually correct. Dixon's exact quote was "It must be so embarrassing for the governor that it's actually on tape that she said she supports the spirit of defund the police. That's the truth."

Whitmer did, in fact, use those exact words in 2020, saying she supports "the spirit" of defunding the police. Instead of addressing her past comment when called out, Whitmer said that's nothing more than "rhetoric" and then talked about she worked with law enforcement as a prosecutor. Well, she made those comments long after her time as prosecutor. She seemed more interested in talking about gun control than she did supporting law enforcement.

Also, how about this deceptive claim from Whitmer regarding Dixon's position on gun violence?

"The same month as the Oxford school shooting for four children were murdered, eight were injured and the community was terrorized, Tudor Dixon posted on her social media a picture of her shooting a gun with the caption that said, ‘Gun control means using both hands.’"

Talk about deceptive. Yes, she did make that post in the same month. But BEFORE the shooting. She made the post on November 1st. The shooting happened on November 30th.
When the shooting happened is irrelevant to the quote. Both things happened in the same month and that’s all she said. So she’s right. I also don’t think her position changed a whit after the fact. So it doesn’t matter. Can you produce the tape of her saying this or some mainstream sourced quotes that show she supports the “spirit” of defund the police. Because by saying she supports law enforcement and has police endorsements… that is her refuting the statement by Dixon.

Also did I miss her giving the keys to the state to a hardened criminal and a speech lauding how excellent his robbery skills are? That’s what glorifying is…



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by bmw » Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:42 am

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Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:31 am
Can you produce the tape of her saying this or some mainstream sourced quotes that show she supports the “spirit” of defund the police.
Sure.
You look at budgets and they’re focused on policing — they should be focused on education, transportation, access to health care, access to skills and leveling the playing field...[If] you do all those other things, you don’t need all the money that’s going to the police departments...So, yeah, I mean, the spirit of it, I do support that spirit of it...we’re not going to defund all the police but we’re going to make the investments in people. And that’s what this is all about.”
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 329633002/



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by km1125 » Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:57 am

So how much did the local broadcasters (2, 4, 7, 20, 50, 56) help out Whitmer by NOT televising the debate??



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by Rate This » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:05 am

km1125 wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 10:57 am
So how much did the local broadcasters (2, 4, 7, 20, 50, 56) help out Whitmer by NOT televising the debate??
Unless people live under a rock they could find it if they were dying to see it. Debates don’t do much anymore anyways.



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:37 am

I'm inclined to agree with km1125.

A lot of folks will be casting ballots between now and October 25, the scheduled date of the only debate that will be televised in SE Michigan.

Debates definitely matter. It's why Jeb Bush floundered in 2016's primaries, it's partially why Dick DeVos performed so poorly when he ran (2006, I believe) and partially why Trump lost in 2020.

The most glaring example of all is George H.W. Bush in 1992. His poor debate performances versus Clinton doomed what initially appeared to be a high probability of reelection.



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by Rate This » Fri Oct 14, 2022 12:06 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 11:37 am
I'm inclined to agree with km1125.

A lot of folks will be casting ballots between now and October 25, the scheduled date of the only debate that will be televised in SE Michigan.

Debates definitely matter. It's why Jeb Bush floundered in 2016's primaries, it's partially why Dick DeVos performed so poorly when he ran (2006, I believe) and partially why Trump lost in 2020.

The most glaring example of all is George H.W. Bush in 1992. His poor debate performances versus Clinton doomed what initially appeared to be a high probability of reelection.
There aren’t that many people who are persuadable… it’s all about driving out your base now… study after study recently has shown this to be the case.



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:05 pm

Trump lost because independents broke in favor of Biden.



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by Rate This » Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:15 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:05 pm
Trump lost because independents broke in favor of Biden.
How truly independent were they is the question… a lot of “independent” voters actually lean one way or the other in reality. It’s not like they study the issues carefully and are completely neutral umpires or something.



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by Mr.Transistor » Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:19 pm

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Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:27 pm
It's completely disgusting that no TV outlets are carrying it in Metro Detroit.

Fuck all of 'em.

Kudos to the AM radio stations airing it live.
The arrogance of the Detroit media rises once again. If it does not happen in the Detroit market, it's not worth covering, like it never happened. Guarantee however that the out of state markets cover the candidates when they are in Detroit in a couple weeks. I did find the debate on the WOOD TV 8 app which I had to download, it was on live there.



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by Matt » Fri Oct 14, 2022 2:14 pm

Mr.Transistor wrote:
Fri Oct 14, 2022 1:19 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Thu Oct 13, 2022 7:27 pm
It's completely disgusting that no TV outlets are carrying it in Metro Detroit.

Fuck all of 'em.

Kudos to the AM radio stations airing it live.
The arrogance of the Detroit media rises once again. If it does not happen in the Detroit market, it's not worth covering, like it never happened. Guarantee however that the out of state markets cover the candidates when they are in Detroit in a couple weeks. I did find the debate on the WOOD TV 8 app which I had to download, it was on live there.
Did they cut to daily lottery drawings at the bottom of the hour to please gambling degenerates on WOOD?


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by audiophile » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:14 pm

Whitmer got her butt kicked. She was completely exasperated on multiple occasions, and said 'I don't know what to say!' lol.

Dixon is clearly a better debator... she zinged her on 45 cent gas tax, Whitmer's BS clam of bipartisanship, nursing home debacle, and that the Supreme Court had stop her illegal EO'S.

Dixon proved she more than competent for job, the debate was a big plus for her.
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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:17 pm

The Dems must be a little anxious, because now they're bringing in the heavy hitters:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 565277007/



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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by audiophile » Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:21 pm

Bring Joe Biden, lol!


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Re: Anyone covering the debate tonight??

Post by bmw » Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:04 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Oct 15, 2022 1:17 pm
The Dems must be a little anxious, because now they're bringing in the heavy hitters:

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 565277007/
Obama's visit, Whitmer's campaign said, "will focus on the stakes of the race as access to abortion, voting rights and public education are at risk in Michigan."
Hmmmm....strangely absent from that list of issues is Michigan's economy. So Whitmer has decided she's going to win the race on abortion, voting rights, and public education?

She's in trouble. :D



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