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Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by bmw » Mon Sep 26, 2022 7:01 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:48 pm
Anything we can do to reduce unwanted children, I am all for it.
So you're for turning them away at the border?



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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by km1125 » Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:04 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:48 pm
Anything we can do to reduce unwanted children, I am all for it.
So allow abortion up to age 18, is that what you're saying?



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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by Taco » Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:38 am

Doesn't seem too extreme or confusing like the signs I've been seeing in people's yards.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... o-michigan


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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by km1125 » Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:16 pm

Taco wrote:
Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:38 am
Doesn't seem too extreme or confusing like the signs I've been seeing in people's yards.

https://www.bridgemi.com/michigan-gover ... o-michigan
Well, when you don't actually READ it, or only look at it from a 50,000ft view, I guess you could come to that conclusion!!



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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by TC Talks » Tue Sep 27, 2022 9:08 pm

km1125 wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 8:04 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:48 pm
Anything we can do to reduce unwanted children, I am all for it.
So allow abortion up to age 18, is that what you're saying?
No I'm not quite the hypocrite most pro-life people are. I prefer to care for and about people were already living. Most pro lifers become disinterested in life when somebody has been born. Unless of course you're a Catholic priest in a room with children.


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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Sun Oct 09, 2022 6:30 pm

I searched the entire Prop 3 verbiage for anything about parental consent being denied. It’s not there.


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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by Circle Seven » Sun Oct 09, 2022 11:54 pm

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
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I searched the entire Prop 3 verbiage for anything about parental consent being denied. It’s not there.
You are correct. Proposal 3 does not discuss parental consent at all. Therein lies the can of worms.
What it does say is EVERY individual has a right to reproductive freedom. It does not say every adult. It does not say everyone who is not a minor.
Neither you or I should be surprised when we see lawyers argue interpretations of "every individual" in court.



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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by paul8539 » Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:38 am

The proposed amendment states "Every individual has a fundamental right to reproductive freedom, which entails the right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to ...., sterilization, ...."

I want to get somebody else sterilized. Can I use this amendment to do it?



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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by Rate This » Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:00 am

paul8539 wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:38 am
The proposed amendment states "Every individual has a fundamental right to reproductive freedom, which entails the right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to ...., sterilization, ...."

I want to get somebody else sterilized. Can I use this amendment to do it?
That would be pertaining to yourself not someone else.



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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by Circle Seven » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:42 am

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Tue Oct 18, 2022 11:21 pm
While not the biggest fan of Proposal 3 due to the open ended nature of it, the alternative is far too costly. The 1931 law needs to be struck down once and for all. We don’t need pro choice women prosecuted.
I respectfully disagree with this line of thinking. This is like buying a house that's falling apart just because you like new garage they built.
That's a good analogy of Prop 3. Nothing wrong with the headline. A woman's right to have an abortion.

But every TV spot opposing Prop 3 is correct. The ads I see are not talking about being opposed to abortion. They're talking about the unexpected consequences because Prop 3's language is sloppier than a St. Bernard's kiss.

Rest assure that if Prop 3 did get turned down, another version would be on the ballot in six months. Just like a millage. Just keep putting it up for a vote until it finally passes.

I say turn this one down. Let them get the message. Come back with a proposal the simply says every woman can have an abortion. K.I.S.S.

Like someone said earlier in this thread, there are lawyers itching to go to court to be the first to argue a guy don't have to pay child support if he wanted an abortion and she didn't. Does it not say everyone involved in the pregnancy has a say? Talk about a sloppy interpretation.
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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by Taco » Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:49 pm

This perspective came totally out of nowhere. Never thought about this in those lines.

‘Ejaculate Responsibly’ author Gabrielle Blair wants to shift the focus of abortion conversations from women to men

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ejacu ... c71a090dce

At the end of the day, it's still the woman's choice to abort or not.


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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by audiophile » Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:53 pm

Rate This wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:00 am
paul8539 wrote:
Tue Oct 11, 2022 4:38 am
The proposed amendment states "Every individual has a fundamental right to reproductive freedom, which entails the right to make and effectuate decisions about all matters relating to pregnancy, including but not limited to ...., sterilization, ...."

I want to get somebody else sterilized. Can I use this amendment to do it?
That would be pertaining to yourself not someone else.
Yes but if a minor walks in and ask for sterilization the parents wouldn't even be required to be notified. If the doctor ends harming the minor, there is no recourse the parent or state can take under proposal 3.

Of course, if the same minor walks in and wants to get their ears pierced, you have to show up with a parent, their state ID, and the minor's birth certificate.


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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by TC Talks » Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:55 pm

audiophile wrote:
Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:53 pm
Of course, if the same minor walks in and wants to get their ears pierced, you have to show up with a parent, their state ID, and the minor's birth certificate.
Did some law get created? Support your premise.


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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by craig11152 » Wed Oct 19, 2022 6:00 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:48 pm
Anything we can do to reduce unwanted children, I am all for it.
Including euthanizing if nobody adopts them after some period of time?


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Re: Does the "Reproductive Freedom" amendment give rights to men?

Post by Circle Seven » Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:15 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Wed Oct 19, 2022 5:55 pm
audiophile wrote:
Wed Oct 19, 2022 3:53 pm
Of course, if the same minor walks in and wants to get their ears pierced, you have to show up with a parent, their state ID, and the minor's birth certificate.
Did some law get created? Support your premise.
From this website:
https://www.bodycandy.com/blogs/news/ag ... 015-update

"Michigan:

- Written/notarized consent from parent or legal guardian for body piercing, PLUS must give consent in the presence of the piercer.

- For tattoos, parent/guardian must give written and informed consent at the tattoo shop".

A few other websites that listed every state's requirements said the same thing.



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