Republican Gubernatorial Candidate Debate In GR 7/6/22

[Matt]

Tudor Dixon is starting to take the moderate lane and has me a little worried in the general.

Don't be too sure...

Cool. Whitmer is going to be a 2 termer!

Whitmer needs to be defeated.

[MasterB]

She's responded by firing off a cease-and-desist at him, but he isn't backing down.

Kevin Rinke calling Dixon a RINO in his new ad and that she is backed by Never Trumpers I didn't know that Devos was Never Trump as Besty worked in the Trump Admin.

It's a reference to Betsy's revelation that she was in discussions among the cabinet for invoking the 25th Amendment to have Trump removed in the wake of January 6.

I'm voting Dixon in the primary she has the best chance at beating Whitmer and I hope she will pick James as Lt. Gov. Fox17 is airing the last GOP debate which Scripps will air on Fox47 in Lansing, WXYZ Detroit.

Two things:

1) Why would James go for that when he could very well win the 10th?

2) While the article on the Detroit News poll cited a voter saying she has a better chance because she can get stronger support with women, MIRS suggests she's got a lot of work to do there (notably, the News cited a man for the article): https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/ ... 1-22_B.pdf

I didn't mean John James I hope he will win the 10TH to become US Congressman. I should've said former Detroit Police Chief James Craig for LT. Gov if Dixon wins the GOP primary.

[Realist]

Tudor Dixon is starting to take the moderate lane and has me a little worried in the general.

Don't be too sure...

Cool. Whitmer is going to be a 2 termer!

Whitmer needs to be defeated.

Doubtful it’s going to happen. Weak GOP candidates are causing Big Gretch to have a 8-12% lead over them depending on the candidate. Additionally, the GOP SOS and AG candidates are absolute extreme right wing fruitcakes. Hopefully the top 3 Dems getting re-elected also leads to the State House flipping blue also…

[Matt]

Tudor Dixon is starting to take the moderate lane and has me a little worried in the general.

Don't be too sure...

Cool. Whitmer is going to be a 2 termer!

Whitmer needs to be defeated.

Doubtful it’s going to happen. Weak GOP candidates are causing Big Gretch to have a 8-12% lead over them depending on the candidate. Additionally, the GOP SOS and AG candidates are absolute extreme right wing fruitcakes. Hopefully the top 3 Dems getting re-elected also leads to the State House flipping blue also…

Let's see where the dust settles after the primary in a week and a half and the general election campaign truly begins. I agree that the currently slated SOS and AG candidates are awful. There was such a low threshold needed to beat Nessel, yet Deperno can't even meet that.

[MWmetalhead]

That is not true. There is a convention in August and if there is unified support for Dixon, and she wants candidates that aren't going to be drags on the top of the ticket, there's a fighting chance that one or both could be replaced.

I completely share your wishes, Matt, but it just ain't gonna happen.

The Trumpbots control the grass roots of the GOP in Michigan. You are correct that the current AG and Secretary of State nominees are awful.

Dixon spoke favorably of DePerno at the last televised debate, and Mike Shirkey gave DePerno an endorsement this past week.

As someone who deals with creditor and debtor attorneys from regionally and nationally renowned law firms on a a regular basis, the allegations of professional misconduct & ethical breaches leveled against DePerno (which were made years before he ran for any public office) are deeply troubling to me, and in my view, disqualify him from any high office.

[Matt]

That is not true. There is a convention in August and if there is unified support for Dixon, and she wants candidates that aren't going to be drags on the top of the ticket, there's a fighting chance that one or both could be replaced.

I completely share your wishes, Matt, but it just ain't gonna happen.

The Trumpbots control the grass roots of the GOP in Michigan. You are correct that the current AG and Secretary of State nominees are awful.

Dixon spoke favorably of DePerno at the last televised debate, and Mike Shirkey gave DePerno an endorsement this past week.

As someone who deals with creditor and debtor attorneys from regionally and nationally renowned law firms on a a regular basis, the allegations of professional misconduct & ethical breaches leveled against DePerno (which were made years before he ran for any public office) are deeply troubling to me, and in my view, disqualify him from any high office.

The issue is that Nessel's misconduct in her current office also disqualifies her.

[MWmetalhead]

I don't know if she has engaged in misconduct, but she is certainly incompetent.

Two lousy choices for voters come November, in all likelihood.

[Matt]

I don't know if she has engaged in misconduct, but she is certainly incompetent.

Two lousy choices for voters come November, in all likelihood.

I'd argue that her choice to prosecute officials for the Flint water crisis while not even looking into what happened in nursing homes qualifies as misconduct.

[bmw]

I get frustrated watching the Republican tv ads that attack Whitmer as they're going after her in completely the wrong way.

They need to go after her for:

(A) Vetoing legislation that would have banned the practice of forcing Covid-positive patients back into nursing homes (see here - https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 558640002/ ) and...

(B) In 2020, issuing 163 Covid-related executive orders - more than any other governor in the nation, 101 of which (the ones after April 30) were unconstitutional.

(C) Not fixing the damn roads.

And these commercials would be easy to make. Interview people who lost loved ones in nursing homes. Play clips of her saying she'd fix the damn roads while on the other half of the screen showing people driving over potholes. Ask young children basic questions (like what is 2+2) and they don't know the answer because of how disruptive Whitmer's Covid policies were to schools. Interview small business owners who lost their once-thriving business. This SHOULD be easy.

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bmw:

I'm not sure not fixing the roads is a good argument. Heck, there is construction everywhere.

Think it's an uphill battle trying to convince people they're not getting worked on, when "Roll Out The Barrels" is the official theme song of 2022.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

I get frustrated watching the Republican tv ads that attack Whitmer as they're going after her in completely the wrong way.

They need to go after her for:

(A) Vetoing legislation that would have banned the practice of forcing Covid-positive patients back into nursing homes (see here - https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 558640002/ ) and...

(B) In 2020, issuing 163 Covid-related executive orders - more than any other governor in the nation, 101 of which (the ones after April 30) were unconstitutional.

(C) Not fixing the damn roads.

And these commercials would be easy to make. Interview people who lost loved ones in nursing homes. Play clips of her saying she'd fix the damn roads while on the other half of the screen showing people driving over potholes. Ask young children basic questions (like what is 2+2) and they don't know the answer because of how disruptive Whitmer's Covid policies were to schools. Interview small business owners who lost their once-thriving business. This SHOULD be easy.

You clearly don’t drive in the (586).

[bmw]

If you both think she's done enough to fix the roads, that's fine. But her record on handling Covid remains atrocious.

[MWmetalhead]

I am going to add to your list, bmw:
- Vetoing multiple bills that would have reduced individuals' taxes
- Vetoing multiple bills that would have granted a gasoline tax holiday (including one bill that received widespread Democratic Party support in the legislature)
- Proposing a $0.45 a gallon gas tax increase her first year in office.

I agree with your earlier points, but bear in mind we are still in primary season. I do think the nature of the messaging will change pretty swiftly once the primary elections are complete.

In terms of road construction / fixing the roads, there is certainly a decent amount of construction on interstate freeways and state maintained roads (e.g. Mound Rd. in Macomb County), but local & county roads are in every bit of bad shape today, if not worse, than when she first took office.

[km1125]

bmw:

I'm not sure not fixing the roads is a good argument. Heck, there is construction everywhere.

Think it's an uphill battle trying to convince people they're not getting worked on, when "Roll Out The Barrels" is the official theme song of 2022.

Yea, maybe she finally stepped up BECAUSE IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR??

[audiophile]

bmw:

I'm not sure not fixing the roads is a good argument. Heck, there is construction everywhere.

Think it's an uphill battle trying to convince people they're not getting worked on, when "Roll Out The Barrels" is the official theme song of 2022.

Yea, maybe she finally stepped up BECAUSE IT'S AN ELECTION YEAR??

Yes, two seasons, Winter and Election Year.