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Michigan goes masking for the holidays

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Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by TC Talks » Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:41 pm

Does anyone remember when conservatives were advocates for a strong economy? Now they're for anti-vaccination because the bunch of fools think this is going to help us how?

Michigan is going under a mask advisory which basically translates to a complete wash for local businesses during Black Friday. I hope small business owners who have supported Trump realize they just shot themselves in a foot because I'm not spending a dime locally if it means I have to go into a store. I'm heading to Amazon and hitting the order button and all those small businesses can pound sand thanks to idiots who think that vaccination is a bad idea.
Elizabeth Hertel, director of the state health department addresses the state Feb. 4, 2021. Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials said Friday, Nov. 19, 2021, they will issue a public health advisory recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor gatherings regardless of vaccination status.
LANSING (AP) — Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials issued a public health advisory Friday recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor public settings regardless of their vaccination status.

The guidance also says public-facing businesses and other establishments should implement masking policies and encourage compliance. Unvaccinated or immunocompromised people are urged to avoid large crowds and gatherings.

The state stopped short of requiring face coverings, keeping with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s shift away from such mandates earlier this year as vaccines became available.


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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by bmw » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:03 am

You know who's REALLY out spreading the virus right now? Vaccinated people who think they're invincible because they're vaccinated. Part of the problem is with CDC Quarantine recommendations (or lack thereof) when it comes to vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people who have had significant exposure to someone with Covid are supposed to immediately quarantine for 14 days. Not vaccinated people. They're only supposed to quarantine if and when they show symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ation.html

Problem is, you're most contagious 2 to 3 days BEFORE symptoms show up, so by the time you get symptoms, the damage (ie, spreading the virus) is already done. Moreover, studies have repeatedly shown that vaccinated people can carry/shed just as much of the virus as unvaccinated people. I think there's growing evidence to suggest that the currently rising case numbers are originating more from vaccinated than unvaccinated people.



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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:11 am

TC Talks wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:41 pm
Does anyone remember when conservatives were advocates for a strong economy? Now they're for anti-vaccination because the bunch of fools think this is going to help us how?

Michigan is going under a mask advisory which basically translates to a complete wash for local businesses during Black Friday. I hope small business owners who have supported Trump realize they just shot themselves in a foot because I'm not spending a dime locally if it means I have to go into a store. I'm heading to Amazon and hitting the order button and all those small businesses can pound sand thanks to idiots who think that vaccination is a bad idea.
Elizabeth Hertel, director of the state health department addresses the state Feb. 4, 2021. Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials said Friday, Nov. 19, 2021, they will issue a public health advisory recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor gatherings regardless of vaccination status.
LANSING (AP) — Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials issued a public health advisory Friday recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor public settings regardless of their vaccination status.

The guidance also says public-facing businesses and other establishments should implement masking policies and encourage compliance. Unvaccinated or immunocompromised people are urged to avoid large crowds and gatherings.

The state stopped short of requiring face coverings, keeping with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s shift away from such mandates earlier this year as vaccines became available.
My family is going to do Thanksgiving at a restaurant that refuses to practice social distancing. I refuse to go.


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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:13 am

bmw wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:03 am
You know who's REALLY out spreading the virus right now? Vaccinated people who think they're invincible because they're vaccinated. Part of the problem is with CDC Quarantine recommendations (or lack thereof) when it comes to vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people who have had significant exposure to someone with Covid are supposed to immediately quarantine for 14 days. Not vaccinated people. They're only supposed to quarantine if and when they show symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ation.html

Problem is, you're most contagious 2 to 3 days BEFORE symptoms show up, so by the time you get symptoms, the damage (ie, spreading the virus) is already done. Moreover, studies have repeatedly shown that vaccinated people can carry/shed just as much of the virus as unvaccinated people. I think there's growing evidence to suggest that the currently rising case numbers are originating more from vaccinated than unvaccinated people.
If that was true, Washington state and New York would lead the country in COVID. We lead because you’re buddies refuse to wear a mask and get vaxxed.


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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by Matt » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:37 am

bmw wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:03 am
You know who's REALLY out spreading the virus right now? Vaccinated people who think they're invincible because they're vaccinated. Part of the problem is with CDC Quarantine recommendations (or lack thereof) when it comes to vaccinated people. Unvaccinated people who have had significant exposure to someone with Covid are supposed to immediately quarantine for 14 days. Not vaccinated people. They're only supposed to quarantine if and when they show symptoms. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nc ... ation.html

Problem is, you're most contagious 2 to 3 days BEFORE symptoms show up, so by the time you get symptoms, the damage (ie, spreading the virus) is already done. Moreover, studies have repeatedly shown that vaccinated people can carry/shed just as much of the virus as unvaccinated people. I think there's growing evidence to suggest that the currently rising case numbers are originating more from vaccinated than unvaccinated people.
You can't even believe this bullshit at this point. The reason this continues is because SELFISH FUCKING IDIOTS refuse to take the TRUMP vaccine.


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by km1125 » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:38 am

If the vaccine was remotely effective at stopping transmission, we'd have seen that by now.

We've already seen that the vaccine's ability to prevent "serious infection" (requiring hospitalization) is only a fraction of what's been promoted. I'm also wondering about the efficacy in its ability to avoid death. Probably still an advantage, but nowhere near what's being promoted. Be nice to hear the actual numbers... as in THE TRUTH.

But you can see that our "journalists" are not interested in THE TRUTH, either nationally or locally.



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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by Matt » Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:40 am

km1125 wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:38 am
If the vaccine was remotely effective at stopping transmission, we'd have seen that by now.

We've already seen that the vaccine's ability to prevent "serious infection" (requiring hospitalization) is only a fraction of what's been promoted. I'm also wondering about the efficacy in its ability to avoid death. Probably still an advantage, but nowhere near what's being promoted. Be nice to hear the actual numbers... as in THE TRUTH.

But you can see that our "journalists" are not interested in THE TRUTH, either nationally or locally.
Again, SELFISH FUCKING IDIOTS are the problem. It's not that hard to comprehend.


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by kager » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:21 am

Trump, trump, trump, blah, blah, blah, hate, vitriol, bigoted hypocrite.

Are you 2-left-winged turkeys so fricken high that you only fly in circles, forgetting you posted the same over-worn-out crap the last time you logged in?


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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by lidoshuffle » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:45 am

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 1:11 am
TC Talks wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:41 pm
Does anyone remember when conservatives were advocates for a strong economy? Now they're for anti-vaccination because the bunch of fools think this is going to help us how?

Michigan is going under a mask advisory which basically translates to a complete wash for local businesses during Black Friday. I hope small business owners who have supported Trump realize they just shot themselves in a foot because I'm not spending a dime locally if it means I have to go into a store. I'm heading to Amazon and hitting the order button and all those small businesses can pound sand thanks to idiots who think that vaccination is a bad idea.
Elizabeth Hertel, director of the state health department addresses the state Feb. 4, 2021. Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials said Friday, Nov. 19, 2021, they will issue a public health advisory recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor gatherings regardless of vaccination status.
LANSING (AP) — Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials issued a public health advisory Friday recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor public settings regardless of their vaccination status.

The guidance also says public-facing businesses and other establishments should implement masking policies and encourage compliance. Unvaccinated or immunocompromised people are urged to avoid large crowds and gatherings.

The state stopped short of requiring face coverings, keeping with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s shift away from such mandates earlier this year as vaccines became available.
My family is going to do Thanksgiving at a restaurant that refuses to practice social distancing. I refuse to go.

Then don't go, stay home , stay scared, get Vaxxed, and boosted like I have, I refuse to be a scared sheep, and I'll gladly take your place at the dinner table to where ever that restaurant is, maybe your family will enjoy some common sense conversation from me instead of you blaming Trump for all your life's issues...



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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by lidoshuffle » Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:49 am

TC Talks wrote:
Fri Nov 19, 2021 11:41 pm
Does anyone remember when conservatives were advocates for a strong economy? Now they're for anti-vaccination because the bunch of fools think this is going to help us how?

Michigan is going under a mask advisory which basically translates to a complete wash for local businesses during Black Friday. I hope small business owners who have supported Trump realize they just shot themselves in a foot because I'm not spending a dime locally if it means I have to go into a store. I'm heading to Amazon and hitting the order button and all those small businesses can pound sand thanks to idiots who think that vaccination is a bad idea.
Elizabeth Hertel, director of the state health department addresses the state Feb. 4, 2021. Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials said Friday, Nov. 19, 2021, they will issue a public health advisory recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor gatherings regardless of vaccination status.
LANSING (AP) — Faced with spiking COVID-19 infections, Michigan health officials issued a public health advisory Friday recommending that everyone over age 2 wear a mask at indoor public settings regardless of their vaccination status.

The guidance also says public-facing businesses and other establishments should implement masking policies and encourage compliance. Unvaccinated or immunocompromised people are urged to avoid large crowds and gatherings.

The state stopped short of requiring face coverings, keeping with Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s shift away from such mandates earlier this year as vaccines became available.
Stay home TC, stay scared....make sure you have your plethora of toilet paper and cans of Lyscol on stand by, make sure you wear your mask when you go to bed, that sneaky 'rona will get you while you sleep you know, don't go out anywhere, cause as soon as you step outside..."BAM" the 'rona gets you, just admit to all of us you crave and hope for the early days of 2020 when the f*cktard politicians who run this state shut down the economy and only made life worse for all of us...



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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by bmw » Sat Nov 20, 2021 12:51 pm

km1125 wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:38 am
If the vaccine was remotely effective at stopping transmission, we'd have seen that by now.
As you saw in my thread in the other political forum, the raw data for all 50 states graphed out comparing transmission rates to vaccination rates shows literally no correlation whatsoever, despite a 30-point difference between the lowest and highest vaccinated states. So there's no need to even speculate here; we have data, and the data shows it is doing literally nothing to slow the spread.
km1125 wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:38 am
I'm also wondering about the efficacy in its ability to avoid death. Probably still an advantage, but nowhere near what's being promoted. Be nice to hear the actual numbers... as in THE TRUTH.
Those numbers exist. I'll graph them out in a week or two after deaths have had time to catch up with hospitalizations (so as to do a fair comparison since deaths are a lagging indicator).
km1125 wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:38 am
But you can see that our "journalists" are not interested in THE TRUTH, either nationally or locally.
I noted this as well in one of my prior posts. Either no intellectual curiosity whatsoever, or an intentional distortion of the data. One or the other. Neither is good.
Matt wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:40 am
Again, SELFISH FUCKING IDIOTS are the problem. It's not that hard to comprehend.
Agreed. That would be those vaccinated people who think they're invincible so they stop doing all other things that actually do slow the spread, like quarantining after being exposed to a sick person, social distancing, etc.



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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by TC Talks » Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:15 pm

lidoshuffle wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:49 am

Stay home TC, stay scared....make sure you have your plethora of toilet paper and cans of Lyscol on stand by, make sure you wear your mask when you go to bed, that sneaky 'rona will get you while you sleep you know, don't go out anywhere, cause as soon as you step outside..."BAM" the 'rona gets you, just admit to all of us you crave and hope for the early days of 2020 when the f*cktard politicians who run this state shut down the economy and only made life worse for all of us...
You're a special kind of idiot aren't you? You think this is politics?

The two top grossing shopping nights of the year for the downtown businesses in Traverse City (men's night and ladies night) were cancelled this week.

True story, some of my friends are professionals who work in the ICU at our local hospital. At this point if you go under ventilation your odds are about 1 in 7 that you will survive.

Last week as a woman was about to go under ventilation as a result of covid, she insisted that the disease was a hoax. She's dead now and her family must be so proud of her.

So what do you say? Should all these anti-vaxxers and their families be sent into bankruptcy to pay for all these Medical Services they are receiving? I think so, because they made a choice and it was a bad choice and I think they need to reimburse the American people. What do you think? Are you a socialist or a capitalist?


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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by lidoshuffle » Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:26 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 6:15 pm
lidoshuffle wrote:
Sat Nov 20, 2021 11:49 am

Stay home TC, stay scared....make sure you have your plethora of toilet paper and cans of Lyscol on stand by, make sure you wear your mask when you go to bed, that sneaky 'rona will get you while you sleep you know, don't go out anywhere, cause as soon as you step outside..."BAM" the 'rona gets you, just admit to all of us you crave and hope for the early days of 2020 when the f*cktard politicians who run this state shut down the economy and only made life worse for all of us...
You're a special kind of idiot aren't you? You think this is politics?

The two top grossing shopping nights of the year for the downtown businesses in Traverse City (men's night and ladies night) were cancelled this week.

True story, some of my friends are professionals who work in the ICU at our local hospital. At this point if you go under ventilation your odds are about 1 in 7 that you will survive.

Last week as a woman was about to go under ventilation as a result of covid, she insisted that the disease was a hoax. She's dead now and her family must be so proud of her.

So what do you say? Should all these anti-vaxxers and their families be sent into bankruptcy to pay for all these Medical Services they are receiving? I think so, because they made a choice and it was a bad choice and I think they need to reimburse the American people. What do you think? Are you a socialist or a capitalist?
Again, stay home, stay scared, I stand by my comments and this virus has been nothing short of political, BTW, I am vaxxed and boosted, I go on with my everyday life...



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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by MasterB » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:13 am

Keep living in fear if that floats your boat COVID going to be here forever got to deal with it as shutdowns didn't work and it has been proven in a lot of studies. I'm living my life I'm doing my part washing my hands been doing that before it was the in thing to do I don't care if people wear a mask or don't. Those that live in fear believe that going to concerts & sporting events are superspreaders when 100K that have gone to The Big House haven't gotten COVID for 7 or 8 home games.


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Re: Michigan goes masking for the holidays

Post by SoutheastMIViewer » Sun Nov 21, 2021 12:29 pm

The Selfish folks are out telling people to do something against there will to feed into there Selfishness.

Amazing how majority of the state is vaccinated and yet here we are with So called hospitals filling up. We heard this drum beat before vaccines so that would mean the whole state population was filling the hospitals up.

Now who could be filling the hospitals up today? Can't be the unvaccinated folks as that is not the whole state in November 2021. :hat

Both State and Federal Government said at the end of 2020 and beginning of 2021 that if you get vaccinated, you no longer have to wear a mask and can return to Normal. At the end of 2021, the state and federal government are now saying vaccinated folks should be wearing a mask. Both are using fear to control the citizens. Wake UP!


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