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Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

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Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by TC Talks » Wed Mar 10, 2021 7:43 am

OK Matt, Let's hear your outrage for the Republican led Legislature here in Michigan for paying off people to go away. How many of these people had a "Grab Ass" situation with the Republican elected officials?

Shouldn't they be recalled and vilified? Where's Charlie Duff?

As I stated, separation agreements are much more common than you think...
LANSING, Mich. (AP) — The Michigan Legislature, where majority Republicans have blasted Democratic Gov. Gretchen Whitmer over severance payments to top officials, on Tuesday disclosed nearly $700,000 worth of separation agreements or legal settlements over the past decade.

The bulk of the payouts, $632,000, involved 30 separation deals in the Senate since 2010, including 20 in the past five years. Individual payments were not released. Three House agreements in 2018 and 2015, totaling nearly $60,000, settled legal disputes with terminated employees since 2013.

Neither chamber disclosed details of the deals to media outlets and a liberal advocacy group, citing their confidential nature. The governor’s administration last week did make public $155,000 and $85,000 agreements with former Department of Health and Human Services Director Robert Gordon and ex-Unemployment Insurance Agency Director Steve Gray under public-records requests. The Legislature is not subject to the Freedom of Information Act but releases financial records under legislative rules and the state constitution.
https://apnews.com/article/legislature- ... 8978919ad4


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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Matt » Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:56 am

This is a very dishonest report and an even more dishonest thread. Also, Charlie LeDuff (not hard to get the name correct) is suing for nursing home data that SHOULD be provided. The issue isn't that a separation payment happened. The issue with Robert Gordon (who you tarred and feathered and were called on the carpet for doing so by CL), is that he was so influential in the shit the tyrant has done to Michigan residents and business owners for the last year. Gordon should be released from the NDA and be subpoenaed to testify in an open session of the legislature.

The other incidents should be looked into, but let's not pretend this is an apples to apples comparison.


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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Matt » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:13 am

It should also be noted that there is nothing that suggests the payments were ALL made by Republicans.


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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Rate This » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:34 am

Matt wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:56 am
This is a very dishonest report and an even more dishonest thread. Also, Charlie LeDuff (not hard to get the name correct) is suing for nursing home data that SHOULD be provided. The issue isn't that a separation payment happened. The issue with Robert Gordon (who you tarred and feathered and were called on the carpet for doing so by CL), is that he was so influential in the shit the tyrant has done to Michigan residents and business owners for the last year. Gordon should be released from the NDA and be subpoenaed to testify in an open session of the legislature.

The other incidents should be looked into, but let's not pretend this is an apples to apples comparison.
Doesn’t look dishonest to me... the legislature pays people off too. The big takeaway is that both the Governor and Legislature are not subject to FOIA and somebody wants a ballot initiative to fix that. If such a measure came up I would vote yes.



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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Matt » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:38 am

Rate This wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:34 am
Matt wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:56 am
This is a very dishonest report and an even more dishonest thread. Also, Charlie LeDuff (not hard to get the name correct) is suing for nursing home data that SHOULD be provided. The issue isn't that a separation payment happened. The issue with Robert Gordon (who you tarred and feathered and were called on the carpet for doing so by CL), is that he was so influential in the shit the tyrant has done to Michigan residents and business owners for the last year. Gordon should be released from the NDA and be subpoenaed to testify in an open session of the legislature.

The other incidents should be looked into, but let's not pretend this is an apples to apples comparison.
Doesn’t look dishonest to me... the legislature pays people off too. The big takeaway is that both the Governor and Legislature are not subject to FOIA and somebody wants a ballot initiative to fix that. If such a measure came up I would vote yes.
There is probably a partisan split - it is not all Republicans. It also doesn't change anything with the high price for Gordon to go away and shut up.


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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Rate This » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:40 am

Matt wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:38 am
Rate This wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:34 am
Matt wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 8:56 am
This is a very dishonest report and an even more dishonest thread. Also, Charlie LeDuff (not hard to get the name correct) is suing for nursing home data that SHOULD be provided. The issue isn't that a separation payment happened. The issue with Robert Gordon (who you tarred and feathered and were called on the carpet for doing so by CL), is that he was so influential in the shit the tyrant has done to Michigan residents and business owners for the last year. Gordon should be released from the NDA and be subpoenaed to testify in an open session of the legislature.

The other incidents should be looked into, but let's not pretend this is an apples to apples comparison.
Doesn’t look dishonest to me... the legislature pays people off too. The big takeaway is that both the Governor and Legislature are not subject to FOIA and somebody wants a ballot initiative to fix that. If such a measure came up I would vote yes.
There is probably a partisan split - it is not all Republicans. It also doesn't change anything with the high price for Gordon to go away and shut up.
Right, the article itself doesn’t charge that it’s all Republicans. It does point out that the Legislature is and has been majority Republican. As for Gordon... no it doesn’t change anything. But it is alarming that a loophole on FOIA like that exists.



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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Matt » Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:47 am

Rate This wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 9:40 am
But it is alarming that a loophole on FOIA like that exists.
Agreed.


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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:53 pm

Can't we save all the mudslinging on both sides until we get this virus under control?


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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Matt » Thu Mar 11, 2021 6:08 am

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:53 pm
Can't we save all the mudslinging on both sides until we get this virus under control?
It's important to see if Tyrant Whitmer needs to be criminally charged for the deaths of people in nursing homes.


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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by Rate This » Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:04 am

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:53 pm
Can't we save all the mudslinging on both sides until we get this virus under control?
Evidently the answer is no.



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Re: Republicans paid $692K in hush money in Michigan

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 13, 2021 9:23 am

Gordon received the equivalent of 6 to 8 months of salary to leave a post - at a tumultuous time - for a job he had held for only two years. Where there's smoke, there's fire. There is "plenty" of smoke with regard to the timing of Gordon's departure, the rich severance package he received, and the NDA tied to his departure.

The Director of MiDHHS is one of the most prominent and powerful positions in state government; it's not as if he were simply a rank and file employee of a state agency. He was arguably the most prominent member of Whitmer's cabinet.

Regarding the legislature payouts - $632,000 divided by 30 = $21,067. Not a particularly high or unreasonable number. Probably equivalent of 90 days' severance for folks who worked in state government for a period of several years each.

I don't find the AP report to be "dishonest;" it is simply lacking in context.



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