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Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by km1125 » Thu Mar 04, 2021 4:49 pm

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Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:04 am
Who the hell receives the equivalent of what is probably six to eight months worth of salary upon departure for a "resignation" after serving in a post for just two years' time?!!!

At best, this is an irresponsible use of taxpayer dollars.
^^^ THIS

DIdn't Ficano have similar employment policies with his direct reports?



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by MWmetalhead » Thu Mar 04, 2021 5:25 pm

He sure did...great point!

Ficano is true slime. The fact he has evaded indictment amazes me.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:04 pm

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Thu Mar 04, 2021 7:04 am
If his contract had a pre-existing severance clause, there would be nothing to hide.

The Whitmer administration refuses to respond to FOIA requests (unfortunately in Michigan, the executive branch of government is not obligated under law to respond to certain FOIA requests, which is why Michigan always ranks among the worst of all states for governmental transparency), and refuses to come clean on this matter.
I remember Snyder certainly used that privilege quite a bit and I don't recall you ever complaining about it.

Until there's some substitutive information you're all just whining about it.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Constant Listener » Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:51 pm

I’ve made no secret in the past that I work for the State. As I’ve also stated, I’ve met Gordon and spoke with him a couple of times. For those who believe that he was in over his head, I can tell you I don’t agree. He made multiple visits to county offices, would talk to the entire staff for a bit, then kick the management team out and talk to 1st line employees 1 on 1 with a legal notepad, writing notes about how to make their jobs easier. Instead of lip service, he actually made changes and tried to simplify policy. Being the Director of our H*** Department is a thankless and almost overwhelming job.

I’ve further worked under at least 7 or 8 statewide DHS directors in my 20+ year career. Some have been horrible (the ex Supreme Court Judge whose name currently escapes me, for one) and others have been good. Gordon was good but I’m not surprised he left. I further wouldn’t be surprised if prior directors were paid after they left, as I’ve found ex top managers still having an active email address. I also remember Snyder paying a ex Treasury director several weeks pay after he left, but there wasn’t this amount of outcry.

And I also disagree with Matt on saying there is no comparison between sports contracts and this situation. It still boils down to one thing - State taxpayer dollars



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Rate This » Thu Mar 04, 2021 11:29 pm

Constant Listener wrote:
Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:51 pm
I’ve made no secret in the past that I work for the State. As I’ve also stated, I’ve met Gordon and spoke with him a couple of times. For those who believe that he was in over his head, I can tell you I don’t agree. He made multiple visits to county offices, would talk to the entire staff for a bit, then kick the management team out and talk to 1st line employees 1 on 1 with a legal notepad, writing notes about how to make their jobs easier. Instead of lip service, he actually made changes and tried to simplify policy. Being the Director of our H*** Department is a thankless and almost overwhelming job.

I’ve further worked under at least 7 or 8 statewide DHS directors in my 20+ year career. Some have been horrible (the ex Supreme Court Judge whose name currently escapes me, for one) and others have been good. Gordon was good but I’m not surprised he left. I further wouldn’t be surprised if prior directors were paid after they left, as I’ve found ex top managers still having an active email address. I also remember Snyder paying a ex Treasury director several weeks pay after he left, but there wasn’t this amount of outcry.

And I also disagree with Matt on saying there is no comparison between sports contracts and this situation. It still boils down to one thing - State taxpayer dollars
I think it’s the confidentiality agreement that sets people off more than the severance.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Matt » Fri Mar 05, 2021 6:14 am

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Thu Mar 04, 2021 9:51 pm
And I also disagree with Matt on saying there is no comparison between sports contracts and this situation. It still boils down to one thing - State taxpayer dollars
It really depends on the institution - when Michigan fired Rich Rodriguez and Brady Hoke, they were paid off from the AD budget, which takes no general fund dollars. This is true at larger schools, although I'm not sure if MSU is in the same boat. You may remember that the very low character Mark Dantonio waited to retire until after he collected his $4M bonus.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:22 am

I remember Snyder certainly used that privilege quite a bit and I don't recall you ever complaining about it.
Are you out of your mind???

I CONSTANTLY criticized Snyder on this board.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:43 am

So the Governor and former Director of the health and human Services both have agreed to release the separation agreement. Not a word from any of you conspiracy theorists?

Could it be that it turns out to be a big fat nothing burger and it won't embarrass the Governor?

Here's your proof Matt time to congratulate the Governor on being transparent when she doesn't legally need to be.

Here's the reader digest version, they disagreed, it got ugly, he resigned. Could it be over the nursing home fiasco? Maybe the Governor was upset that DHHS was not following good health policy? Perhaps, but that would indicate that Whitmer did recognize a problem and made a change.

either way it's a lot of fun to try to smear someone when it's pure speculation but as I suggested a number of times on this thread the truth is usually much more mundane.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Rate This » Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:55 am

TC Talks wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:43 am
So the Governor and former Director of the health and human Services both have agreed to release the separation agreement. Not a word from any of you conspiracy theorists?

Could it be that it turns out to be a big fat nothing burger and it won't embarrass the Governor?

Here's your proof Matt time to congratulate the Governor on being transparent when she doesn't legally need to be.

Here's the reader digest version, they disagreed, it got ugly, he resigned. Could it be over the nursing home fiasco? Maybe the Governor was upset that DHHS was not following good health policy? Perhaps, but that would indicate that Whitmer did recognize a problem and made a change.

either way it's a lot of fun to try to smear someone when it's pure speculation but as I suggested a number of times on this thread the truth is usually much more mundane.
If there was nothing to see there they would have done that very quickly instead of knuckle dragging and bowing under immense pressure from all quarters.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by Matt » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:06 am

She was asked questions this morning about Gordon and the nursing homes. She either outright refused to answer or deflected. Yet, the cuck that should talk less is saying the matter is settled.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:33 am

Rate This wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:55 am
TC Talks wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:43 am
So the Governor and former Director of the health and human Services both have agreed to release the separation agreement. Not a word from any of you conspiracy theorists?

Could it be that it turns out to be a big fat nothing burger and it won't embarrass the Governor?

Here's your proof Matt time to congratulate the Governor on being transparent when she doesn't legally need to be.

Here's the reader digest version, they disagreed, it got ugly, he resigned. Could it be over the nursing home fiasco? Maybe the Governor was upset that DHHS was not following good health policy? Perhaps, but that would indicate that Whitmer did recognize a problem and made a change.

either way it's a lot of fun to try to smear someone when it's pure speculation but as I suggested a number of times on this thread the truth is usually much more mundane.
If there was nothing to see there they would have done that very quickly instead of knuckle dragging and bowing under immense pressure from all quarters.
You are suggesting that Whitmer didn't want the terms revealed. It is my understanding that she started talking about it only after he agreed to let the agreement go public. I don't think she was the one trying to keep it concealed.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:35 am

Matt wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:06 am
She was asked questions this morning about Gordon and the nursing homes. She either outright refused to answer or deflected. Yet, the cuck that should talk less is saying the matter is settled.
those are two different issues Matt we have two different threads on those two different topics. Now you're upset because we've had a chance to see the exit agreement? Give it a rest.

Still haven't seen that Sunshine Bill brought forward by the Republican-led legislature. That would certainly shed light on everything going on in both the capitol and the governor's office.

Until the Republicans decide that they are going to be just as transparent there's no sense complaining about any of this because it's really their issue and it has been for a long time.


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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:17 pm

The nursing home questions need to be answered. Why Mr. Gordon received an exorbitant payout needs to be answered.



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Re: Health director fired? (Robert Gordon MiDHHS out)

Post by TC Talks » Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:52 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:17 pm
The nursing home questions need to be answered. Why Mr. Gordon received an exorbitant payout needs to be answered.
It sounds like one of those two will be answered quickly. But tell me why exactly the legislature gets a pass on for foia but you feel that the governor shouldn't?


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