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Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

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Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by TC Talks » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:09 am

Completely within their authority, the Michigan department of health and human services has issued safety rules. These are similar to rules in other states and are completely allowed by the Michigan Constitution.

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The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services on Monday issued an emergency public health order requiring masks and limiting gatherings after Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s authority to issue orders was struck down by the Supreme Court on Friday.

The governor’s executive orders were thrown into legal limbo last week when the Michigan Supreme Court ruled the laws underpinning her executive orders were unconstitutional. The governor is seeking clarification from the court on whether the order takes effect immediately, arguing it instead starts Oct. 30 under a court rule.

Related: Are Michiganders still living under coronavirus orders? Gov. Whitmer asks Supreme Court to clarify

The requirements put in place by MDHHS closely track with the executive orders the governor had put in place, MDHHS Director Robert Gordon said Monday.

“At no point today have we said we as the health department aim to do more than the governor already did... we aim to preserve the status quo pending further review,” Gordon said in a call with reporters.

Gordon derives his authority to issue the order from a part of the public health code that states: “If the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.”

That law is not one of those the Supreme Court recently ruled on.


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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Deleted User 14896 » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:44 am

R Bedell wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:19 am
Completely within their authority,
Cite the law that backs that up..!!
The question is:
So exactly what happens if someone says no? Can the police even do anything about it? Would the police want to be bothered with it?
Or would the police just say "Don't call us. Call the health department".


I think we can all agree it would be a poor choice for a place of business to physically prevent someone from strolling thru the door without a mask. So what happens if the store (and other customers) just shrug their shoulders? What obligation, if any, does a business have in regards to this health department missive?

I walk through the door with a mask. But if I'm in an aisle by myself, my mask is in my hand.

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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Rate This » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:40 am

Mike Oxlong wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:44 am
R Bedell wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:19 am
Completely within their authority,
Cite the law that backs that up..!!
The question is:
So exactly what happens if someone says no? Can the police even do anything about it? Would the police want to be bothered with it?
Or would the police just say "Don't call us. Call the health department".


I think we can all agree it would be a poor choice for a place of business to physically prevent someone from strolling thru the door without a mask. So what happens if the store (and other customers) just shrug their shoulders? What obligation, if any, does a business have in regards to this health department missive?

I walk through the door with a mask. But if I'm in an aisle by myself, my mask is in my hand.
I suppose they could be fined if somebody comes inspecting.. just like health inspections at a restaurant... and these wouldn’t take nearly as long.

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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Matt » Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:57 am

TC Talks wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:09 am
Completely within their authority, the Michigan department of health and human services has issued safety rules. These are similar to rules in other states and are completely allowed by the Michigan Constitution.

Conservative victims begin crying in 3, 2, 1...
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services on Monday issued an emergency public health order requiring masks and limiting gatherings after Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s authority to issue orders was struck down by the Supreme Court on Friday.

The governor’s executive orders were thrown into legal limbo last week when the Michigan Supreme Court ruled the laws underpinning her executive orders were unconstitutional. The governor is seeking clarification from the court on whether the order takes effect immediately, arguing it instead starts Oct. 30 under a court rule.

Related: Are Michiganders still living under coronavirus orders? Gov. Whitmer asks Supreme Court to clarify

The requirements put in place by MDHHS closely track with the executive orders the governor had put in place, MDHHS Director Robert Gordon said Monday.

“At no point today have we said we as the health department aim to do more than the governor already did... we aim to preserve the status quo pending further review,” Gordon said in a call with reporters.

Gordon derives his authority to issue the order from a part of the public health code that states: “If the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.”

That law is not one of those the Supreme Court recently ruled on.
Stop with the victim bullshit. Lefties have victim mentality locked down. Maybe if Gretchen the Incompetent hadn't been such a tyrant using unconstitutional actions, we wouldn't be in this space.
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Rate This » Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:05 pm

Matt wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:57 am
TC Talks wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:09 am
Completely within their authority, the Michigan department of health and human services has issued safety rules. These are similar to rules in other states and are completely allowed by the Michigan Constitution.

Conservative victims begin crying in 3, 2, 1...
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services on Monday issued an emergency public health order requiring masks and limiting gatherings after Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s authority to issue orders was struck down by the Supreme Court on Friday.

The governor’s executive orders were thrown into legal limbo last week when the Michigan Supreme Court ruled the laws underpinning her executive orders were unconstitutional. The governor is seeking clarification from the court on whether the order takes effect immediately, arguing it instead starts Oct. 30 under a court rule.

Related: Are Michiganders still living under coronavirus orders? Gov. Whitmer asks Supreme Court to clarify

The requirements put in place by MDHHS closely track with the executive orders the governor had put in place, MDHHS Director Robert Gordon said Monday.

“At no point today have we said we as the health department aim to do more than the governor already did... we aim to preserve the status quo pending further review,” Gordon said in a call with reporters.

Gordon derives his authority to issue the order from a part of the public health code that states: “If the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.”

That law is not one of those the Supreme Court recently ruled on.
Stop with the victim bullshit. Lefties have victim mentality locked down. Maybe if Gretchen the Incompetent hadn't been such a tyrant using unconstitutional actions, we wouldn't be in this space.
We would have been wide open months ago. The Republicans have no intention of doing anything that involves restrictions, I firmly believe that’s the reason she bypassed them.

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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Matt » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:12 pm

Rate This wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:05 pm
Matt wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:57 am
TC Talks wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:09 am
Completely within their authority, the Michigan department of health and human services has issued safety rules. These are similar to rules in other states and are completely allowed by the Michigan Constitution.

Conservative victims begin crying in 3, 2, 1...
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services on Monday issued an emergency public health order requiring masks and limiting gatherings after Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s authority to issue orders was struck down by the Supreme Court on Friday.

The governor’s executive orders were thrown into legal limbo last week when the Michigan Supreme Court ruled the laws underpinning her executive orders were unconstitutional. The governor is seeking clarification from the court on whether the order takes effect immediately, arguing it instead starts Oct. 30 under a court rule.

Related: Are Michiganders still living under coronavirus orders? Gov. Whitmer asks Supreme Court to clarify

The requirements put in place by MDHHS closely track with the executive orders the governor had put in place, MDHHS Director Robert Gordon said Monday.

“At no point today have we said we as the health department aim to do more than the governor already did... we aim to preserve the status quo pending further review,” Gordon said in a call with reporters.

Gordon derives his authority to issue the order from a part of the public health code that states: “If the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.”

That law is not one of those the Supreme Court recently ruled on.
Stop with the victim bullshit. Lefties have victim mentality locked down. Maybe if Gretchen the Incompetent hadn't been such a tyrant using unconstitutional actions, we wouldn't be in this space.
We would have been wide open months ago. The Republicans have no intention of doing anything that involves restrictions, I firmly believe that’s the reason she bypassed them.
So ends justify the means? Your "belief" is wrong. She's clearly a tyrant, but she's got a D next to her name, so she gets a free pass from you.
Voting for Trump is dumber than playing Russian Roulette with fully loaded chambers.

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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Rate This » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:37 pm

Matt wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:12 pm
Rate This wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:05 pm
Matt wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:57 am
TC Talks wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:09 am
Completely within their authority, the Michigan department of health and human services has issued safety rules. These are similar to rules in other states and are completely allowed by the Michigan Constitution.

Conservative victims begin crying in 3, 2, 1...
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services on Monday issued an emergency public health order requiring masks and limiting gatherings after Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s authority to issue orders was struck down by the Supreme Court on Friday.

The governor’s executive orders were thrown into legal limbo last week when the Michigan Supreme Court ruled the laws underpinning her executive orders were unconstitutional. The governor is seeking clarification from the court on whether the order takes effect immediately, arguing it instead starts Oct. 30 under a court rule.

Related: Are Michiganders still living under coronavirus orders? Gov. Whitmer asks Supreme Court to clarify

The requirements put in place by MDHHS closely track with the executive orders the governor had put in place, MDHHS Director Robert Gordon said Monday.

“At no point today have we said we as the health department aim to do more than the governor already did... we aim to preserve the status quo pending further review,” Gordon said in a call with reporters.

Gordon derives his authority to issue the order from a part of the public health code that states: “If the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.”

That law is not one of those the Supreme Court recently ruled on.
Stop with the victim bullshit. Lefties have victim mentality locked down. Maybe if Gretchen the Incompetent hadn't been such a tyrant using unconstitutional actions, we wouldn't be in this space.
We would have been wide open months ago. The Republicans have no intention of doing anything that involves restrictions, I firmly believe that’s the reason she bypassed them.
So ends justify the means? Your "belief" is wrong. She's clearly a tyrant, but she's got a D next to her name, so she gets a free pass from you.
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by audiophile » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:40 pm

Rate This wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 12:05 pm
Matt wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 11:57 am
TC Talks wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:09 am
Completely within their authority, the Michigan department of health and human services has issued safety rules. These are similar to rules in other states and are completely allowed by the Michigan Constitution.

Conservative victims begin crying in 3, 2, 1...
The Michigan Department of Health and Human Services on Monday issued an emergency public health order requiring masks and limiting gatherings after Gov. Gretchen Whitmer’s authority to issue orders was struck down by the Supreme Court on Friday.

The governor’s executive orders were thrown into legal limbo last week when the Michigan Supreme Court ruled the laws underpinning her executive orders were unconstitutional. The governor is seeking clarification from the court on whether the order takes effect immediately, arguing it instead starts Oct. 30 under a court rule.

Related: Are Michiganders still living under coronavirus orders? Gov. Whitmer asks Supreme Court to clarify

The requirements put in place by MDHHS closely track with the executive orders the governor had put in place, MDHHS Director Robert Gordon said Monday.

“At no point today have we said we as the health department aim to do more than the governor already did... we aim to preserve the status quo pending further review,” Gordon said in a call with reporters.

Gordon derives his authority to issue the order from a part of the public health code that states: “If the director determines that control of an epidemic is necessary to protect the public health, the director by emergency order may prohibit the gathering of people for any purpose and may establish procedures to be followed during the epidemic to insure continuation of essential public health services and enforcement of health laws. Emergency procedures shall not be limited to this code.”

That law is not one of those the Supreme Court recently ruled on.
Stop with the victim bullshit. Lefties have victim mentality locked down. Maybe if Gretchen the Incompetent hadn't been such a tyrant using unconstitutional actions, we wouldn't be in this space.
We would have been wide open months ago. The Republicans have no intention of doing anything that involves restrictions, I firmly believe that’s the reason she bypassed them.
Not the case. The legislature offered to extend her EO's two weeks, then setup a joint taskforce. She said jump in Sanford Lake before the AG drained it rather quickly.
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Rate This » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:48 pm

A joint task force that wouldn’t agree on anything or whose Republican members would have strongarmed the Governor into lesser restrictions. It wouldn’t have worked.

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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by audiophile » Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:50 pm

And you know that how?

What the governor did to businesses is criminal.
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:04 pm

We would have had 10K+ more dead. Thank you governor!
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by audiophile » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:21 pm

Lockdowns don't stop viruses it just prolongs the period time which it is active.
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:45 pm

audiophile wrote:
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Lockdowns don't stop viruses it just prolongs the period time which it is active.
Because the chain of COVID increases exponentially when spread, you are wrong.
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by Matt » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:26 pm

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:04 pm
We would have had 10K+ more dead. Thank you governor!
Does your bullshit made up calculation account for people that would NOT have died if the tyrant's EOs had never been issued?
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Re: Michigan health department issues order requiring masks, limiting gathering sizes statewide

Post by audiophile » Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:41 pm

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:45 pm
audiophile wrote:
Wed Oct 07, 2020 7:21 pm
Lockdowns don't stop viruses it just prolongs the period time which it is active.
Because the chain of COVID increases exponentially when spread, you are wrong.
So you accept your truth over facts? :rollin

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To declare anybody didn’t have a second wave is premature.
...as was you declaring that Sweden got it wrong - at which time I said just wait - they'll be over their Coronavirus well before anybody else is. Since late July, Sweden has only been averaging TWO deaths per day related to Covid, and in September specifically, they've had quite a few zero-death days.

In fact, since the beginning of July, Sweden's daily death toll has been back to the low-side of its 5-year average. This per Sweden's official government numbers:

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