Whitmer Misses The Mark

[MWmetalhead]

I think the question needs to be asked why Beaumont, Henry Ford Health System, and others who make oodles and oodles and oodles of money have not taken it upon themselves to properly stockpile supplies for a pandemic.

Yes, the government (both state and federal) should be properly prepared, too. But should private medical care conglomerates be given a free pass?

Of course, you won't see our pathetic local news media ask that very question. They don't want to offend the sources of major advertising dollars!

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Maybe each state should pass a law and have inspectors for common supplies.

Hey but right now we got to stop Jo Ann's from selling silk flowers curbside!

[bmw]

They don't want to offend the sources of major advertising dollars!

Same reason Whitmer won't shut down the state lottery. Too big a source of money for state government.

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This time around just last week she threatened administrative action against Doctors for prescribing hydroxychloroquine or chloroquine to treat Coronavirus cases:

https://www.michigan.gov/documents/lara ... 4869_7.pdf

Now, she's on board with the drug, having "requested hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine from the Strategic National Stockpile for physicians to use to help treat patients with COVID-19"

THANK GOODNESS she changed her mind.

You realize there is still no evidence that it works and that taking it indiscriminately could kill people right?

[bmw]

You realize there is still no evidence that it works and that taking it indiscriminately could kill people right?

So don't take it indiscriminately. It is still by prescription only. Are you suggesting that the doctors prescribing it don't know what they're doing?

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You realize there is still no evidence that it works and that taking it indiscriminately could kill people right?

So don't take it indiscriminately. It is still by prescription only. Are you suggesting that the doctors prescribing it don't know what they're doing?

With no evidence that it is effective in treating it... it’s essentially “here try this”.... that’s the textbook definition of not knowing what you’re doing. It would be like asking them to try an herbal remedy or grind up the scales of a Pangolin for ancient Chinese Medicine.... There is no more than anecdotal evidence that this stuff is effective while we know the side effects of this drug can be rather grave. Suddenly giving it to somebody full bore could harm them in other ways or even kill them.

[bmw]

You realize there is still no evidence that it works and that taking it indiscriminately could kill people right?

So don't take it indiscriminately. It is still by prescription only. Are you suggesting that the doctors prescribing it don't know what they're doing?

With no evidence that it is effective in treating it... it’s essentially “here try this”.... that’s the textbook definition of not knowing what you’re doing. It would be like asking them to try an herbal remedy or grind up the scales of a Pangolin for ancient Chinese Medicine.... There is no more than anecdotal evidence that this stuff is effective while we know the side effects of this drug can be rather grave. Suddenly giving it to somebody full bore could harm them in other ways or even kill them.

So you're smarter than the doctors prescribing it. Got it.

[bmw]

If I had to make a prediction, there will be a deal for a 23-day extension with no strings attached.

Just as I predicted. 23 days.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/michig ... by-23-days

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You realize there is still no evidence that it works and that taking it indiscriminately could kill people right?

So don't take it indiscriminately. It is still by prescription only. Are you suggesting that the doctors prescribing it don't know what they're doing?

With no evidence that it is effective in treating it... it’s essentially “here try this”.... that’s the textbook definition of not knowing what you’re doing. It would be like asking them to try an herbal remedy or grind up the scales of a Pangolin for ancient Chinese Medicine.... There is no more than anecdotal evidence that this stuff is effective while we know the side effects of this drug can be rather grave. Suddenly giving it to somebody full bore could harm them in other ways or even kill them.

So you're smarter than the doctors prescribing it. Got it.

No.. I’m just saying that we need to do proper testing to figure out whether it works. The doctors prescribing it are literally just guessing. Rather than roll out there with a haphazard announcement Trump should have ordered such trials to begin and when it was proven to work had it announced as a tool to fight the virus. Instead we are guessing how well it’ll work while people who need it can’t get it. There’s a reason Fauci is saying it’s not proven beyond anecdotes... I think he IS smarter than many of your average GP’s...

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If I had to make a prediction, there will be a deal for a 23-day extension with no strings attached.

Just as I predicted. 23 days.

https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/michig ... by-23-days

Nice try by Governor Whitmer, but the legislature wasn't buying it:

Prior to the vote, there was even confusion over when Whitmer's order officially ended. After issuing a disaster declaration last week, Whitmer claimed the clock on her emergency powers was reset.

[km1125]

You realize there is still no evidence that it works and that taking it indiscriminately could kill people right?

So don't take it indiscriminately. It is still by prescription only. Are you suggesting that the doctors prescribing it don't know what they're doing?

With no evidence that it is effective in treating it... it’s essentially “here try this”.... that’s the textbook definition of not knowing what you’re doing. It would be like asking them to try an herbal remedy or grind up the scales of a Pangolin for ancient Chinese Medicine.... There is no more than anecdotal evidence that this stuff is effective while we know the side effects of this drug can be rather grave. Suddenly giving it to somebody full bore could harm them in other ways or even kill them.

So you're smarter than the doctors prescribing it. Got it.

No.. I’m just saying that we need to do proper testing to figure out whether it works. The doctors prescribing it are literally just guessing. Rather than roll out there with a haphazard announcement Trump should have ordered such trials to begin and when it was proven to work had it announced as a tool to fight the virus. Instead we are guessing how well it’ll work while people who need it can’t get it. There’s a reason Fauci is saying it’s not proven beyond anecdotes... I think he IS smarter than many of your average GP’s...

There is PLENTY of evidence that it is effective, just no clinical trials at this point.


Is anybody else wondering how much Gilbert is going to make by providing the Suburban Collection Showplace as a temp medical facility?

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Another person I know in the industry was saved with the anti-malaria drug. This person was high risk.

[Matt]

Anyone want to wager on what tomorrow's extension will be?

I'm hoping it has the following elements:

-A clear plan forward, meaning if the extension announced tomorrow has a definitive end
-A plan for how phased reopening can happen. Bonus points if phased reopening starts prior to 4/13
-Evidence that there is a solid plan in place for future occurrences. There is significant evidence that we've mostly done what has been asked of us as Michigan residents

What I expect is an extension to 4/30 and bitching about the federal government.

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Anyone want to wager on what tomorrow's extension will be?

I'm hoping it has the following elements:

-A clear plan forward, meaning if the extension announced tomorrow has a definitive end
-A plan for how phased reopening can happen. Bonus points if phased reopening starts prior to 4/13
-Evidence that there is a solid plan in place for future occurrences. There is significant evidence that we've mostly done what has been asked of us as Michigan residents

What I expect is an extension to 4/30 and bitching about the federal government.

Extension to 4/30 and after that a gradual reopening.

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You realize there is still no evidence that it works and that taking it indiscriminately could kill people right?

So don't take it indiscriminately. It is still by prescription only. Are you suggesting that the doctors prescribing it don't know what they're doing?

With no evidence that it is effective in treating it... it’s essentially “here try this”.... that’s the textbook definition of not knowing what you’re doing. It would be like asking them to try an herbal remedy or grind up the scales of a Pangolin for ancient Chinese Medicine.... There is no more than anecdotal evidence that this stuff is effective while we know the side effects of this drug can be rather grave. Suddenly giving it to somebody full bore could harm them in other ways or even kill them.

So you're smarter than the doctors prescribing it. Got it.

No.. I’m just saying that we need to do proper testing to figure out whether it works. The doctors prescribing it are literally just guessing. Rather than roll out there with a haphazard announcement Trump should have ordered such trials to begin and when it was proven to work had it announced as a tool to fight the virus. Instead we are guessing how well it’ll work while people who need it can’t get it. There’s a reason Fauci is saying it’s not proven beyond anecdotes... I think he IS smarter than many of your average GP’s...

There is PLENTY of evidence that it is effective, just no clinical trials at this point.


Is anybody else wondering how much Gilbert is going to make by providing the Suburban Collection Showplace as a temp medical facility?

The French study so oft cited by Trump has been disavowed by the society that published it...
https://apple.news/AyLBVB7FATgiJ0zcyix1aQw