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No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
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Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
Everyone here read it. Please find the full text, set aside 10 minutes and read the whole thing. Don't base what you see on TV or media websites.
Here is a link for what will go into the constitution. Not the summary that will be on the ballot:
https://www.dioceseoflansing.org/office ... proposal-3
Honestly.
From this post on, how about only people who have read the whole thing (not the Cliff Notes version you seen online or in a newspaper) continue to participate in the conversation?
There is fibbing and construing from both camps.
Even the TV ads against People 3 aren't showing the actual text.
You are all very passionate one way or the other. That's a good thing. Just make sure you know what you are talking about. Take the time to read it word for word.
Here is a link for what will go into the constitution. Not the summary that will be on the ballot:
https://www.dioceseoflansing.org/office ... proposal-3
Honestly.
From this post on, how about only people who have read the whole thing (not the Cliff Notes version you seen online or in a newspaper) continue to participate in the conversation?
There is fibbing and construing from both camps.
Even the TV ads against People 3 aren't showing the actual text.
You are all very passionate one way or the other. That's a good thing. Just make sure you know what you are talking about. Take the time to read it word for word.
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
I took the time to read it. I don't see anything terribly wrong with it.Circle Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:53 pmEveryone here read it. Please find the full text, set aside 10 minutes and read the whole thing. Don't base what you see on TV or media websites.
Here is a link for what will go into the constitution. Not the summary that will be on the ballot:
https://www.dioceseoflansing.org/office ... proposal-3
Honestly.
From this post on, how about only people who have read the whole thing (not the Cliff Notes version you seen online or in a newspaper) continue to participate in the conversation?
There is fibbing and construing from both camps.
Even the TV ads against People 3 aren't showing the actual text.
You are all very passionate one way or the other. That's a good thing. Just make sure you know what you are talking about. Take the time to read it word for word.
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Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
I signed the petition and read it word for word then. I was in a quiet area where I had time.Circle Seven wrote: ↑Thu Nov 03, 2022 8:53 pmEveryone here read it. Please find the full text, set aside 10 minutes and read the whole thing. Don't base what you see on TV or media websites.
Here is a link for what will go into the constitution. Not the summary that will be on the ballot:
https://www.dioceseoflansing.org/office ... proposal-3
Honestly.
From this post on, how about only people who have read the whole thing (not the Cliff Notes version you seen online or in a newspaper) continue to participate in the conversation?
There is fibbing and construing from both camps.
Even the TV ads against People 3 aren't showing the actual text.
You are all very passionate one way or the other. That's a good thing. Just make sure you know what you are talking about. Take the time to read it word for word.
They/them, non-binary and proud.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
I am voting YES on all the proposals this year. I like the idea of 9 days of early voting and mandatory ballot drop boxes to vote absentee.
Woe to you, oh earth and sea
For the Devil sends the beast with wrath
Because he knows the time is short
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast
For it is a human number
Its number is six hundred and sixty-six
For the Devil sends the beast with wrath
Because he knows the time is short
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast
For it is a human number
Its number is six hundred and sixty-six
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
Prop 1 seems to be just the right amount of time and I think more transparency about the people we are voting for is a good thing. I know there are fans of eliminating term limits for reasonable reasons, but it seems 10-15 years would be the right amount of time to allow a person to serve.
Prop 2 is something that I am on the fence about for one reason. I feel like the post-election audits are too constrained. Only allowing for what is essentially internal audits is ridiculous. Like, I don't want "AUDITDAFED6969" going in with his youtube channel or something like that and using their loose understanding of the law and harassing random bureaucrats doing their job, but I would like the opportunity for trusted external entities to conduct election audits. As a matter of fact, I think it would be a good thing if there were generally accepted principles that governments could use for external audits for voting.
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
I oppose Proposal 3, but then again as I am getting older part of my bias is against moving next to euthanasia (sorry, doctor assisted suicide) which the state rejected by 40 points in 1998. It may be on the ballot next, and if the legislature stays Republican they may also pass a proposal for capital punishment if it gets enough signatures and thwart the voters even seeing it.
No different than Kansas, millions are coming in from the coasts in support of Proposal 3. The same was true of that renewable energy proposal that passed. Europe is years ahead of Michigan in renewables and they can't kick their Russia energy addiction. If Germany can't make it work, can Michigan?
I oppose legal abortion, capital punishment and euthanasia. In a decades time all three will be legal in Michigan thanks to our proposal process. Proposal 3 goes even beyond legal abortion.
Missouri, Louisiana (Democrat governor no less) and Idaho all have the same law as Michigan but in full effect. It isn't a radical law, and with pill based abortion it really can only be enforced against surgical abortion anyways.
No different than Kansas, millions are coming in from the coasts in support of Proposal 3. The same was true of that renewable energy proposal that passed. Europe is years ahead of Michigan in renewables and they can't kick their Russia energy addiction. If Germany can't make it work, can Michigan?
I oppose legal abortion, capital punishment and euthanasia. In a decades time all three will be legal in Michigan thanks to our proposal process. Proposal 3 goes even beyond legal abortion.
Missouri, Louisiana (Democrat governor no less) and Idaho all have the same law as Michigan but in full effect. It isn't a radical law, and with pill based abortion it really can only be enforced against surgical abortion anyways.
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Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
I think we may have a difference of opinion on euthanasia. When I visit friends and loved ones in a nursing home that have no chance of ever getting out, I honestly say a prayer for the Lord to take me in my sleep at home. That's how I want to go. I want my partner to yell "You getting up?" Nope.
And my family knows this. I've said it many times.
If I knew my demise was inevitable, I would not want to lay in hospice slowly dying a prolonged death. I'm at peace with my God.
I wanna be able to say "Just pull the plug".
I recognize that euthanasia could become a slippery slope. The possibility of someone else with power of attorney making a decision that you don't want. Or the government and medical community deciding anyone over a certain age, when they get sick, that's it.
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Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
The Detroit Free Press runs article that agrees that Parental Rights are TOAST under Prop 3:
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/con ... 616083007/
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/con ... 616083007/
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Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
Nice of them to wait till 3 days before election day to do that investigation. What about all those early voters? Don't they deserve to be informed as well?audiophile wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:53 amThe Detroit Free Press runs article that agrees that Parental Rights are TOAST under Prop 3:
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/con ... 616083007/
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
Is Googling the text of it that damned hard? What is this? 1990?km1125 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 pmNice of them to wait till 3 days before election day to do that investigation. What about all those early voters? Don't they deserve to be informed as well?audiophile wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:53 amThe Detroit Free Press runs article that agrees that Parental Rights are TOAST under Prop 3:
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/con ... 616083007/
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Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
When I cast my ballot today at the clerk’s office, I reread it yet again. It clearly states that it would allow abortion up to the point of viability and not up to the point of delivery except to protect the mother.
They/them, non-binary and proud.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
Audacity sucks.
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
Why am I not surprised conservative users don’t know the difference between opinion and investigation.km1125 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 pmNice of them to wait till 3 days before election day to do that investigation. What about all those early voters? Don't they deserve to be informed as well?audiophile wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:53 amThe Detroit Free Press runs article that agrees that Parental Rights are TOAST under Prop 3:
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/con ... 616083007/
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
Clearly more people use newspapers than google in 2022!Rate This wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:50 pmIs Googling the text of it that damned hard? What is this? 1990?km1125 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 pmNice of them to wait till 3 days before election day to do that investigation. What about all those early voters? Don't they deserve to be informed as well?audiophile wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:53 amThe Detroit Free Press runs article that agrees that Parental Rights are TOAST under Prop 3:
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/con ... 616083007/
Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
Thanks for the correction.. I’ll run out and buy some newspaper stock and a printing plant when I win the powerball later.Neckbeard wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 7:50 pmClearly more people use newspapers than google in 2022!Rate This wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:50 pmIs Googling the text of it that damned hard? What is this? 1990?km1125 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 5:33 pmNice of them to wait till 3 days before election day to do that investigation. What about all those early voters? Don't they deserve to be informed as well?audiophile wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 10:53 amThe Detroit Free Press runs article that agrees that Parental Rights are TOAST under Prop 3:
https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/con ... 616083007/
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Re: No on Prop 3 Ads Lie; Roe is NOT Restored in MI
You have been snowed!MotorCityRadioFreak wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 6:35 pmWhen I cast my ballot today at the clerk’s office, I reread it yet again. It clearly states that it would allow abortion up to the point of viability and not up to the point of delivery except to protect the mother.
The language in the amendment purporting to limit the unfettered right to an abortion to only pre-viability cases (essentially the first trimester) is a farce and is unenforceable. The language states:
. . . the state may regulate the provision of abortion care after fetal viability, provided that in no circumstance shall the state prohibit an abortion that, in the professional judgment of an attending health care professional, is medically indicated to protect the life or physical or mental health of the pregnant individual.
This limitation is illusory. It claims to allow state regulation of abortion for post-viability pregnancies; however, it unequivocally states that if a “health care professional” determines an abortion is necessary to protect the “physical or mental health” of the mother, then the state may not regulate such abortions. These terms are intentionally not defined. “Health care professional” presumably includes nurses, counselors, and other non-doctors.
It is hard to imagine a pro-abortion “health care professional” not certifying that a mother’s physical or mental health would be harmed unless the abortion is performed. This is a H*** exemption that permits abortion on demand right up to the moment of birth. This exemption language makes any attempt to regulate post-viability abortions superfluous and of no effect.
For example, if a mother who is 8 months pregnant claims to Planned Parenthood that she will be sad, unhappy, and distressed if she has the baby, Planned Parenthood would be completely protected by the RRFI to perform that late-term abortion and kill the child.
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