Channel 7 provides fake traffic detour to avoid WB M-59 accident

[Herm]

Side note; I despise the stupid roundabouts at Auburn and Dequindre. Useless pieces of shit.

I agree. The other day I was on Tienken Road in Rochester and traveled through 3 stupid roundabouts between Dequindre and Rochester Road.

Would you have rather caught 3 red lights?
There are 2 roundabouts on Evergreen between 10 Mile and 11 Mile. Back when there were 2 traffic lights, that 1 mile stretch of road used to take up to 20 minutes to get through during high traffic times. With the roundabouts, I can make it through in around 2 minutes consistently… sometimes less.
What is your beef with roundabouts?

[Deleted User 16173]

Side note; I despise the stupid roundabouts at Auburn and Dequindre. Useless pieces of shit.

I agree. The other day I was on Tienken Road in Rochester and traveled through 3 stupid roundabouts between Dequindre and Rochester Road.

Would you have rather caught 3 red lights?
There are 2 roundabouts on Evergreen between 10 Mile and 11 Mile. Back when there were 2 traffic lights, that 1 mile stretch of road used to take up to 20 minutes to get through during high traffic times. With the roundabouts, I can make it through in around 2 minutes consistently… sometimes less.
What is your beef with roundabouts?

Yes, absolutely would rather have traffic signals. Just because most people don’t understand how to use a roundabout. One of the most dangerous roundabouts in the Detroit area is at 18 1/2 and Van Dyke In Sterling Heights. 4 years ago, I witnessed an accident that killed a motorcycle driver at that roundabout, it was clearly the driver of the car that was at fault because they did not understand the lane concept. Michigan should have never started using roundabouts. I’m not saying traffic signals are 100 percent safe but they are what most drivers are used to using and a bit safer.

[Mega Hertz]

I see his point. They work in a society where people have courtesy and don't act like they're the only people on the road. I've damn near gotten nailed at one of ours here in Brighton near downtown. I was already making my turn when some asshole in a (surprise) Cadillac came flying through. He missed me by a pubic hair. That red triangle with that Y word on it is tricky. I HAVE TO HURRY UP AND BEAT YOU AND BE FIRST GUY THROUGH THE INTERSECTION! YES! I WON! HAHA!

[Herm]

Side note; I despise the stupid roundabouts at Auburn and Dequindre. Useless pieces of shit.

I agree. The other day I was on Tienken Road in Rochester and traveled through 3 stupid roundabouts between Dequindre and Rochester Road.

Would you have rather caught 3 red lights?
There are 2 roundabouts on Evergreen between 10 Mile and 11 Mile. Back when there were 2 traffic lights, that 1 mile stretch of road used to take up to 20 minutes to get through during high traffic times. With the roundabouts, I can make it through in around 2 minutes consistently… sometimes less.
What is your beef with roundabouts?

Yes, absolutely would rather have traffic signals. Just because most people don’t understand how to use a roundabout. One of the most dangerous roundabouts in the Detroit area is at 18 1/2 and Van Dyke In Sterling Heights. 4 years ago, I witnessed an accident that killed a motorcycle driver at that roundabout, it was clearly the driver of the car that was at fault because they did not understand the lane concept. Michigan should have never started using roundabouts. I’m not saying traffic signals are 100 percent safe but they are what most drivers are used to using and a bit safer.

There are fatal crashes at all kinds of intersections. In fact, if you look at a list of the most dangerous intersections in the Detroit area, the vast majority of them are not roundabouts.
So are “traditional” intersections really safer?

[edj]

Agreed on the US-23 and Lee Road roundabouts. What a mess! Ditto on 18 1/2 and Van Dyke. That one is probably the most dangerous. The Orchard Lake Road ones where 14 and Northwestern all come together are a nightmare.

I’d surprisingly also throw in 10 and Napier on the Novi/Lyon Twp line. For a road that wasn’t paved ten years ago it’s really picked up in traffic and close calls at that intersection.

[Deleted User 16173]

Side note; I despise the stupid roundabouts at Auburn and Dequindre. Useless pieces of shit.

I agree. The other day I was on Tienken Road in Rochester and traveled through 3 stupid roundabouts between Dequindre and Rochester Road.

Would you have rather caught 3 red lights?
There are 2 roundabouts on Evergreen between 10 Mile and 11 Mile. Back when there were 2 traffic lights, that 1 mile stretch of road used to take up to 20 minutes to get through during high traffic times. With the roundabouts, I can make it through in around 2 minutes consistently… sometimes less.
What is your beef with roundabouts?

Yes, absolutely would rather have traffic signals. Just because most people don’t understand how to use a roundabout. One of the most dangerous roundabouts in the Detroit area is at 18 1/2 and Van Dyke In Sterling Heights. 4 years ago, I witnessed an accident that killed a motorcycle driver at that roundabout, it was clearly the driver of the car that was at fault because they did not understand the lane concept. Michigan should have never started using roundabouts. I’m not saying traffic signals are 100 percent safe but they are what most drivers are used to using and a bit safer.

There are fatal crashes at all kinds of intersections. In fact, if you look at a list of the most dangerous intersections in the Detroit area, the vast majority of them are not roundabouts.
So are “traditional” intersections really safer?

Roundabouts definitely more dangerous than traditional intersections. Granted, most people drive like idiots and are likely to cause accidents. I do believe that since the Michigan Secretary of State stopped giving the 15 question test on license renewal to save a dime years ago most people including myself don’t know what new laws are such as how to drive through a roundabout.

[MWmetalhead]

I'd like to add Martin Parkway /M-5 / Pontiac Trail to the list of horrible roundabouts.

Lee Rd and US 23 is definitely awful! I experienced that one over a decade ago.

The one at Orchard Lake / Northwestern / 14 Mile is more confusing to me than it is hazardous. It is easy to get misdirected if not using a navigation app.

There are some well designed roundabouts, too. The roundabouts near the Southfield Civic Center are fine, as is the new one along Greenfield north of 13 Mile.

Adding extra lanes immediately before a roundabout only to require an absurdly quick merge immediately after exiting a roundabout greatly adds to collision risk. Roundabouts where the feeder roads have at least three lanes of unidirectional traffic also greatly increases collision risk.

[Editorcj]

Just spitballing here but instead of spending Billion$ on roads and lanes and trying to figure out how to make automobile traffic flow, how about investing in real useful public transportation? Starting with light rail all the way up Woodward to Pontiac and then up Gratiot, Grand River, Michigan to the airport and Fort downriver? Crazy talk, I know.

[paul8539]

Regarding non-existent interchanges: I have heard several times on WWJ Traffic, when there is an accident on I-75 up north, for recommendations to get off on Maple Road. There are three Maple Roads that cross I-75; none of them have interchanges.