Acceptable registrations in the queue through October 17 at 11:00a ET have now been activated. Enjoy! -M.W.

Terms of Use have been amended effective October 6, 2019. Make sure you are aware of the new rules! Please visit this thread for details: https://www.mibuzzboard.com/phpBB3/view ... 16&t=48619

WPON WCXI Updates - 2020

Discussion pertaining to Detroit, Ann Arbor, Port Huron, and SW Ontario
innate-in-you
Posts: 486
Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:54 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by innate-in-you » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:44 pm

It seems I have a persistent problem when I post to this board. After I finish typing, I hit the "SUBMIT" button, but the progress bar stops (indefinitely, if I take no further action) two-thirds of the way towards completion. I hit the "SUBMIT" bar again, and TWO duplicate posts are submitted to the board.
Last edited by innate-in-you on Fri Nov 29, 2019 9:38 am, edited 1 time in total.



innate-in-you
Posts: 486
Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:54 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by innate-in-you » Thu Nov 28, 2019 2:46 pm

CK-722 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:22 am
WCXI is on STA with 250 watts nondirectional from the Wixom area site. The LIC site is still in Fenton. Normally, they don't show the STA contours. I have heard nothing to the effect that the WCXI phasor or transmitter have been installed. The WCXI CP expires 2-15-20.

Based on an 82.8 degree tower with 250 watts and using M-3 (likely to overestimate signal in this area), the 2 mV/m contour would go out about 16 miles, and the 0.5 mV/m would go out about 31 miles. The licensed WPON site at Benstein and Loon Lake Rd., about three miles East, showed much lower field strength than predicted by M-3. As I recall, at 27 miles East the signal was only about 1/3 to 1/2 of the predicted value. I seem to remember that it was around 170 uV/m that I measured, but my measurements can't be located.
I do remember that in late 1989-early 1990, I was working at a plant on Rochester Road near 15 Mile Road.

WPON had a weak signal there using the Benstein site.



User avatar
MWmetalhead
Site Admin
Posts: 4372
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:23 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Nov 30, 2019 10:02 am

It seems I have a persistent problem when I post to this board. After I finish typing, I hit the "SUBMIT" button, but the progress bar stops (indefinitely, if I take no further action) two-thirds of the way towards completion. I hit the "SUBMIT" bar again, and TWO duplicate posts are submitted to the board.
You only need to hit submit once.

Navigate to a different page, then come back, and your post will appear. I apologize for this issue. It happens to me, too. It's a problem between phpBB and Cloudflare. I wish I could find a solution to resolve the issue for good, but I've been unsuccessful. I do not want to eliminate Cloudflare, as it's been extremely effective at eliminating undesired bot traffic.


Rock 95.5 in Chicago is the worst sounding major market rock station in the history of corporate radio.

SixPlusOne
Posts: 170
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:03 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by SixPlusOne » Wed Dec 04, 2019 2:56 pm

CK-722 wrote:
Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:22 am
WCXI is on STA with 250 watts nondirectional from the Wixom area site.
https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.ex ... _num=10475

"WCXI HOLDS AN AUTHORIZATION FOR CONSTRUCTION OF AN IMPROVED FACILITY WITH A POWER INCREASE. ALTHOUGH MUCH OF THE CONSTRUCTION FOR THE NEW FACILITY HAS BEEN COMPLETED, IT IS NOT YET READY FOR LICENSING. IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN SERVICE TO THE PUBLIC, WCXI IS REQUESTING SPECIAL TEMPORARY AUTHORITY TO OPERATE IN NON-DIRECTIONAL MODE FROM ONE OF THE TOWERS AT THE AUTHORIZED CONSTRUCTION PERMIT SITE. IN ACCORDANCE WITH SECTION 73.1615(B)(3), AUTHORITY IS REQUESTED TO OPERATE DAY AND NIGHT AT 25% OF THE LICENSED POWER."

"AS DISCUSSED WITH FCC STAFF, THE TRANSMITTER AT THE CURRENT LICENSED SITE FOR WCXI HAS FAILED. THE STATION IS IN THE PROCESS OF RELOCATING AND THE NEW SITE IS FUNCTIONAL FOR THE STA OPERATIONS. THE LICENSEE RESPECTFULLY REQUESTS OPERATIONS AT 250 WATTS NON-DIRECTIONAL FOR A PERIOD OF 180 DAYS. WITHIN THAT TIME PERIOD A LICENSE TO COVER THE NEW TRANSMITTER SITE WILL HAVE BEEN FILED AND THIS STA WILL BECOME MOOT."

The temporary authority to operate at 250 watts non-directional expires on: 12/23/2019



SixPlusOne
Posts: 170
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:03 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by SixPlusOne » Thu Dec 12, 2019 10:56 am

WCXI - MINOR MODIFICATION TO A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT

THE APPLICANT HAS BEEN ADVISED BY COUNSEL AND FCC STAFF THAT COMPLIANCE WITH THE NATIONWIDE PROGRAMMATIC AGREEMENT AND NHPA SECTION 106 FOR NEW TOWER CONSTRUCTION REMAINS VALID AND GRANDFATHERED UNDER PREVIOUSLY AUTHORIZED WPON (AM), WALLED LAKE MI, CONSTRUCTION PERMIT BP-20150330AAI, GRANTED ON 05/15/2015. THIS CONSTRUCTION PERMIT HAS EXPIRED AND HAS BEEN REPLACED WITH APPLICATION FILE NO. BP-20180516AAA. BOTH THE WPON AND WCXI ARE TO BE CO-LOCATED AND CO-DIPLEXED OPERATION WITH ONE ANOTHER. AS A RESULT, CURRENT SITE COMPLIANCE WITH THE NATIONWIDE PROGRAMMATIC AGREEMENT AND NHPA SECTION 106 FOR NEW TOWER CONSTRUCTION WILL REMAIN VALID WITH THE GRANT OF AND UNTIL THE EXPIRATION OF WPON(AM) CONSTRUCTION PERMIT.


https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.ex ... _num=10475

ENGINEERING REPORT
MINOR CHANGE TO CONSTRUCTION
PERMIT APPLICATION
Application: BMP-20190402AAV
WCXI(AM) – Fenton, MI (1160 kHz)
Facility ID No. 10475
License No. BL-19851126AA

November 2019


https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_Att ... &exhcnum=1

RF Study WPON - WCXI

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cdbs/CDBS_Att ... &exhcnum=1



User avatar
RingtailedFox
Posts: 210
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2011 3:11 pm
Location: Windsor, Ontario
Contact:

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by RingtailedFox » Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:33 pm

just change the call-letters of these two to WZOM and WZMB... they're zombie stations at this point :P


~ The Legendary Raccoon-Fox has spoken!

SixPlusOne
Posts: 170
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:03 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by SixPlusOne » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:10 pm

New Authorization For WPON - December 26, 2019

http://licensing.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/puba ... 811284.pdf



User avatar
MWmetalhead
Site Admin
Posts: 4372
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:23 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by MWmetalhead » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:22 pm

There's no way in hell WPON is broadcasting at its licensed ERP.

Signal here is VERY faint!!


Rock 95.5 in Chicago is the worst sounding major market rock station in the history of corporate radio.

User avatar
Colonel Flagg
Posts: 290
Joined: Tue Nov 18, 2008 3:54 pm

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by Colonel Flagg » Thu Dec 26, 2019 3:04 pm

WPON is loud and clear here at Telegraph & Quarton.


"Nobody can get the truth out of me because even I don't know what it is. I keep myself in a constant state of utter confusion."

CK-722
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:53 pm

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by CK-722 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:24 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:22 pm
There's no way in hell WPON is broadcasting at its licensed ERP.

Signal here is VERY faint!!
They COULD be at full power, if as predicted the site has abysmal conductivity. It's hard to say if you are only a few miles away. Doesn't stop the scan at Preston Corners.


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

RTN Price. Not guaranteed. As of 12:30, 157.71 Down 0.22.

Artificial Intelligence is a Child that needs a Parent to guide it through.

User avatar
MWmetalhead
Site Admin
Posts: 4372
Joined: Sun Oct 31, 2004 11:23 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by MWmetalhead » Thu Dec 26, 2019 4:34 pm

When the TX site was near Walled Lake (just a few miles farther east), I always picked up WPON during daytime hours clear as a bell in Warren, Troy, and much of Sterling Heights.

I'm having trouble believing a move just a few miles farther west with all new equipment and a minor reduction in ERP would produce such terrible reception in the 14 Mile & Woodward Ave. area if the station were truly running its licensed 670 watts...that is unless a half-assed job was done on the build-out.


Rock 95.5 in Chicago is the worst sounding major market rock station in the history of corporate radio.

CK-722
Posts: 1128
Joined: Sun Dec 16, 2018 3:53 pm

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by CK-722 » Thu Dec 26, 2019 5:08 pm

I heard that Harold Munn told them not to move to Benstein and Loon Lake Rd because it was so much worse than Square Lake and Telegraph. It may have been Colonel Flagg who told me that. 3 miles West is probably worse yet. You may be in a minimum. Or it could be all of the above.


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

RTN Price. Not guaranteed. As of 12:30, 157.71 Down 0.22.

Artificial Intelligence is a Child that needs a Parent to guide it through.

fuzzpower
Posts: 770
Joined: Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:37 pm

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by fuzzpower » Fri Dec 27, 2019 2:04 am

It was a bit scratchy in the Royal Oak area yesterday near the zoo. Still weak in the Canton area.



SixPlusOne
Posts: 170
Joined: Fri Oct 08, 2010 10:03 am

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by SixPlusOne » Sat Dec 28, 2019 2:54 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:22 pm
There's no way in hell WPON is broadcasting at its licensed ERP. Signal here is VERY faint!!
Metal here are some questions for the forum to either answer or speculate on:

1. Could it be that WPON was never meant to be a "Detroit" station whose signal would cover the entire Detroit market?
2. Was WPON in the very beginning just a station serving Pontiac as their goal?
3. If no to the two questions above why then didn't they or haven't they applied for 5,000 watts which would give them good coverage in all of the Detroit market which would eliminate the reception issues that some forum members here (like yourself) have pointed out?

4. And before you ask here are some nearby stations either on or slightly above 1460:

Here from Michiguide.com

Nearby stations on 1460 and 1470:

1460 WBRN Big Rapids
1460 WKAM Goshen, IN
1460 WPON Walled Lake
1470 WFNT Flint
1470 WLQR Toledo



fuzzpower
Posts: 770
Joined: Sun Mar 17, 2019 3:37 pm

Re: WPON WCXI Updates - 2019

Post by fuzzpower » Sat Dec 28, 2019 4:12 pm

It was before my time, but I believe WPON was originally just focused on Oakland County. Pontiac and Royal Oak were the large cities then, with Southfield growing. I know it isn’t supposed to cover the entire market, but a scratchy signal not too far from the transmitter is an issue. Look at how far 1520 in Toledo goes on just 500 watts. Admittedly, the major lobe shoots north.

WLQR Toledo no longer exists, so no issues there. Is 1480 WSDS a factor? 1440? How about 1450 WHLS?



Post Reply Previous topicNext topic