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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Momo » Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:26 pm

A restaurant that uses robots to do tasks such as delivering food and drink to the tables & cooking the food?! Ron died too soon.




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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Wed Aug 14, 2024 6:39 pm

Momo wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:26 pm
A restaurant that uses robots to do tasks such as delivering food and drink to the tables & cooking the food?! Ron died too soon.

The ghost of Ron was channeled through the spokesman at the 54 second mark.
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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Thu Aug 15, 2024 11:24 am

My most recent impulsive purchase from eBay was the November 1973 Sports issue of National Lampoon.

A couple of things from a parody of Sports Illustrated reminded me of Ron.

Here is one of Ron's infallible umpire buddies from the early 1970s.

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Here are some baseball Name Games that Kurt missed.

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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Momo » Thu Aug 15, 2024 4:18 pm

That sound you hear is the sound of Ron's head exploding.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/n ... 786966007/

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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Fri Aug 16, 2024 10:46 am

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Sat Apr 01, 2023 1:16 pm
Ron might know William Daniels better from St. Elsewhere.

Peter Marshall was a great "producer"?
Another one of Ron's game show heroes passes away.

https://apnews.com/article/peter-marsha ... de0b8bb5d1
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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Momo » Fri Aug 16, 2024 4:44 pm

The oft-mentioned & onetime guest of Ron, Pinky Deras. is the subject of a new profile by Cody Stavenhagen, The Athletic's Tigers' beat writer.
The enigmatic life and complex legacy of Pinky Deras, America’s greatest Little Leaguer

The cedar chest had been there his whole life. Down in the basement, near the water heater and next to the storage racks filled with all the knick-knacks a person accrues over seven-plus decades. Adam Deras knew the chest was full of Dad’s old stuff, but he had never seen it opened.

Now Art “Pinky” Deras was gone, so Adam and his much older brother, Kevin, cleaned out the house. They came to the old weathered chest. Soon the glorified wooden box was open, and Adam peered inside. He saw a few small trophies, some posters, a scrapbook and a few old signs. There was a brown paper bag, and inside, a red batting helmet from the ’50s or ’60s. Under the brim of the helmet, his father’s initials were inscribed: AD. Inside the crown, there was still a piece of hair.

Adam’s father was once a Little League superstar, widely considered the greatest ever. Deras made it to Double A in the St. Louis Cardinals system and then, beaten down and burned out, he walked away. For many years, he wanted nothing to do with baseball. People whispered about how he had thrown out most of the mementos from his career: bats and balls, photos and trophies.

“I’m sure what they said was true,” Adam says now, “because there was nothing really there.”

That fact may seem odd, but it would come as no surprise to anyone who knew him. Art was humble and reserved. Never talked about his younger days unless directly asked, and even then you’d be lucky to get more than a couple sentences in response.

After his baseball career reached its premature end — he once told the Detroit Free Press he simply never showed up to Cardinals camp, and never heard from the team again — Art settled into a 29-year career with the police department in the Detroit suburb of Warren. At his funeral in 2022, the family made a display with photos from his Little League days, and mourners recounted his legendary statistics: 108 innings pitched and an astonishing 298 strikeouts, an 18-0 record with 16 shutouts and 10 no-hitters for a 1959 team that won the Little League World Series.

Longtime coworkers were stunned. “I partnered with your dad for almost 20 years,” one person told Kevin, “and I had no idea.”

His accomplishments fell out of focus over time, but the ghost of unmet potential always lurked in the background of Art’s life. In 1974, Art was only 27 years old when the Free Press ran a story with the headline: What ever happened to baseball phenom Pinky Deras?

In the article, Art mused about the pressures of pro ball and the weight of all the expectations he carried. Then he said this: “At least when my two-year-old son, Kevin, grows up I can tell him I played catch with Stan Musial.”

Fifty years later, at a sports bar in another Detroit suburb, Kevin is discussing his father’s life and legacy. He hears the question: Did your dad ever tell you about playing catch with Stan Musial?

He laughs and says no.

Like with so many things, he wishes now he could go back and ask.

No one ever figured out exactly why he went by Pinky. They just knew his grandmother called him that one day, and for whatever reason, the nickname stuck.

What they did know was he was the greatest thing they had ever seen. At 12 years old, Deras was already nearing 6 feet tall, bigger and stronger than everyone on the field. He happened to be more talented, too.

“What I used to compare it to was facing Nolan Ryan from 48 feet, then having to pitch to Mickey Mantle,” said Tom Paciorek, a Detroit native who went on to play 18 seasons in the major leagues.

Deras was a dominant force on the team representing the little Detroit enclave of Hamtramck. That team captured the heart of the area, and its title went down as one of the crowning moments in the community’s history. In the celebratory aftermath, Dodge paid for the tweens to travel across the country, where they appeared on the Lawrence Welk show in primetime.

Two years later, Deras was teammates with Paciorek, and the pair helped lead a Pony League team to another championship on the national stage. The city still commemorates the achievements with signage at its border. There is a street named Pinky Deras Way near the hallowed ground of Hamtramck Stadium. The sign’s subtext reads: “The greatest little leaguer there ever was.”

As the Little League World Series gets underway this week in Williamsport, Pa., and as Deras’ beloved Detroit Tigers prepare to play the New York Yankees Sunday in the MLB Little League Classic, the absurdity of Deras’s youth statistics come into greater focus. Deras is remembered the way he is because many of his records will never be broken, especially with today’s pitch-count restrictions for young players. On two occasions, he threw six-inning perfect games in which he struck out all 18 batters. They clocked him at 71 mph off the Little League mound, the equivalent of a 100 mph fastball from the major-league distance. At the plate, he hit .641 and smashed 33 home runs. He hit a grand slam in the Little League World Series semifinal, then threw a three-hitter in a 12-0 championship win against a team from West Auburn, Calif.

“I have the Little League playoffs on right now,” Paciorek said recently from his home in Georgia. “Unfortunately, there’s no Pinky Deras in there. If there was, you would know.”

Deras’ dominance did not end with Pony ball. As the years went on, other kids grew and began to catch up to Deras’ physical profile. His growth plateaued at 6-foot-2. Most still did not come close to matching his talent.

As a senior at Hamtramck High School, he hit .478 and was drawing the attention of scouts near and far. He played football and had a scholarship offer from Michigan State. In baseball, the hometown Detroit Tigers were interested, as were the Cardinals. The legendary Branch Rickey, by then in his 80s and confined to a wheelchair, arrived in Detroit, ventured to a field and emerged from a black limousine to see Deras play. The Cardinals eventually offered Deras an $80,000 signing bonus, big money for the time, and viewed him as a third baseman.

In Rickey’s papers, now housed at the Library of Congress, there are two scouting reports filed on Deras. The first, dated June 5, 1964, hints at his potential.

“I see nothing (sic) whatever wrong with his form,” Rickey wrote. “His head goes toward the pitch with every swing. He should be a good hitter, and his form supports his record for power.”

The second is dated July 14, 1964, soon after Deras began his pro career, and hints at what was to come.

“In the game tonight he looked like he had a case of cramps — came out of his shell late,” Rickey wrote. “Showed no power. I believe he will become a good hitter, a power hitter, someday. Surely he will come to be a bit (more) relaxed. I hope that management will not advise about his batting or change him in any respect until, per chance he gives up.”

By the numbers, Art Deras’ professional baseball career amounted to this: A .243 career batting average and 32 home runs over five seasons in the minor leagues. He spent all of 1966 and 1967 in Double-A Arkansas, before a demotion to Class A the following year.

“I couldn’t understand why he never made it in the major leagues,” Paciorek said. “I said that. ‘If Arty can’t play in the big leagues, there’s no way I can.’”

Done with baseball, Deras served in the National Guard for a few years, then headed home to the Detroit area. He applied for a job at the police force and settled into a quiet life. He got married and had two children. Kevin was the first. A few years later came a girl, Deb.

In the years after his baseball career ended, Deras had a fractured relationship with the sport. He battled depression and wanted nothing to do with the game.

“People come up to me even now and ask why I quit,” Deras said in 1983. “I just tell them it was because of personal reasons. … By the time I was 21, I had already had a full 14-year career — playing every day, two amateur championships, a room full of trophies. I should have been reaching my prime and I was exhausted. Looking back on it, I guess it was just a problem of getting too much too soon.”

Eventually, baseball’s idyllic rhythms drew him back. He played rec softball and began watching the Tigers every night. He even ventured to Tiger Stadium to see Pacoriek play when the White Sox were in town.

Kevin has faint memories of going to a reunion for the Little League team one year in Hamtramck, but even then he didn’t quite ascertain how big of a deal it was. Kevin also played baseball growing up. His father didn’t push him into the sport, he says, but he didn’t hold him back from it, either. As for the subject of Art’s own Little League career? It just wasn’t a topic that came up very often.

Truth was, Art could be closed off to a fault. Kevin and Deb both speak highly of their father, but Kevin acknowledges a certain emotional distance. He pieced together more about his father’s career over the years, and one year before his birthday, he called the Little League Museum in Williamsport, Pa. He told them his father had played on a championship team, and he was hoping to acquire some film to give his dad a special gift.

“Did you say ‘Deras?’” a worker asked over the phone.

“Yeah, my dad was Art Deras,” Kevin replied.

“Like Art ‘Pinky’ Deras?”

“Yeah.”

“Hold please.”

Kevin split the costs to help the museum convert old 8mm reel tape to DVD. He presented the rediscovered film to his father, including the ninth inning of the championship game and the ensuing celebration, when eight kids mobbed their bigger teammate as he walked off the mound.

“It was really hard to judge his reaction,” Kevin said. “You could tell he appreciated it. He was intrigued watching it. But it may have brought back some bad memories.”

Jane Chupailo was a waitress at a Ram’s Horn restaurant off Dequindre Street, and occasionally the police officers who came in would point to Art Deras and ask her: Do you know who that is?

“No,” she might say. “I just knew he had nice biceps.”

Art was 12 years her senior, divorced with two children of his own. One day he swung by her house anyway, and soon they were dating. It wasn’t until sometime later her father pulled her aside.

“Jane,” he said. “Do you know who that is?”

Jane had a big family that loved sports, and from time to time, she would hear Art discuss his career with her father or brother. But it wasn’t until Kevin got another call from the Little League Museum that all the pieces started falling into place.

Two filmmakers, Brian Kruger and Buddy Moorehouse, had inquired about a project they were interested in. Museum director Lance Van Auken gave them another idea: Do something on Pinky Deras. The project turned into the 2010 documentary “The Legend of Pinky Deras.”

The Art who appears in the film is quiet and speaks in a matter-of-fact tone, but Jane says the project energized him. As for everyone else, including son Kevin, it wasn’t until the documentary that they finally realized the full extent of his legend. By then Kevin was approaching 40.

“It took that amount of time,” he said, “to realize how exceptional he was.”

Deb, the daughter from Art’s first marriage, married a man who enjoyed baseball, and they eventually moved out to Arizona. They had three boys who took an interest. Visits back to Michigan soon meant questions, and slowly Deb began learning more about all her father had accomplished. Her youngest son now plays baseball at Paradise Valley Community College in Arizona, and this summer, he ordered a custom glove with the words Pinky Deras inscribed on the glove’s smallest finger.

Adam was the youngest, 30 years younger than his half-brother. The dynamic was unusual. But Jane called Adam her miracle baby, finally conceived at age 40 after three surgeries and three attempts at in-vitro fertilization.

Though Art and Jane divorced when Adam was in fifth grade, they remained on good terms. Art spoiled his son and let him do anything. Perhaps the only thing that ever made him hesitant was baseball. Adam played the sport growing up and says his father was supportive, but Jane says it was her brother who first signed him up.

“I thought Art was gonna hit the roof,” Jane said. “He was so angry.”

Jane called Art’s baseball career “his Berlin Wall.” A line she simply wouldn’t cross.

“Some people … I don’t even know how to explain it,” she said. “You have things you’ll talk about, but there’s things you keep in your heart.”

The children each have slightly different theories on why he didn’t divulge more.

Maybe it was simply his personality, a quiet man who never sought to talk about himself.

“He was happy with the fame he got,” Deb said. “He didn’t care about moving on. It just wasn’t meant to be. … He never regretted it.”

Maybe it was deeper than that. The pain of not making it further as a professional, of not quite meeting all the expectations of greatness others had bestowed upon him.

“It’s a hard thing when people expect something out of you and you can’t produce,” Adam said. “He had some issues with that.”

Or perhaps it went even further, memories of a robbed youth he buried in hopes of forging a new identity.

“Why he decided not to talk about it, I think it was a little bit of the letdown,” Kevin said. “Didn’t want to relive it because of the could-woulda-shouldas. He probably had some regrets. Maybe after leaving, if he decided to go back, maybe he didn’t think people would take him back.”

By the time Adam grew up and moved out, he called his father every morning at 5 a.m.

Adam worked mornings, and Art was religious about his routines. He would rise and drink coffee in a dark house every day at 4 a.m. At night he would sit down with a bowl of vanilla ice cream and watch the Tigers.

By the end he was reclusive. The once-great athlete had stopped exercising after a back injury many years before. He grew inactive and health issues followed. If Art didn’t answer Adam’s early morning phone calls, something was wrong. He had battled heart problems for years. One day after an episode he checked into the hospital, and a couple of nights later, on June 5, 2022, the kids learned he died in his sleep at age 75.

In the days after, they all heard stories they never knew before. Old friends and teammates reached out. The best stories always involved Art’s days playing baseball. There was happiness in stories like that, but there could be a certain sadness, too.

“There were so many unanswered questions,” Kevin said. “So many questions not asked. And some of those questions I tried to ask and never really got a lot of response on. That’s part of it. I guess I missed out on some closure. … My regret is not getting into enough detail and trying to drill deep as far as his mindset and the pressure.”

Many of those answers will remain forever elusive. But if those closest to him looked hard enough, there were sometimes the smallest hints at the feelings Pinky Deras kept locked inside.

Every year around the time of the Little League World Series, he would take his usual seat on the couch and tune in. More than once, after a kid made an amazing play or after a new team got crowned as champions, Jane would look over. And if she timed it right, she would catch Art Deras, the greatest Little Leaguer to ever play, with tears welling in his eyes.
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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Sat Aug 17, 2024 10:21 am

Momo wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2024 5:26 pm
A restaurant that uses robots to do tasks such as delivering food and drink to the tables & cooking the food?! Ron died too soon.

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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Sun Aug 18, 2024 11:40 am

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Mon Dec 19, 2022 10:10 am
I was near the Plymouth Super Center this morning, so I stopped in to investigate The Case of the Missing USA Today Sports Weekly.

It had greatly changed since my last visit a few months ago. It's now called USA 2 Go and the interior has been remodeled.

I looked on the newspaper rack and saw no sign of the USA Today Sports Weekly. I picked up a Detroit newspaper and took it to the counter. I asked the pink-haired middle aged cashier if they sold the USA Today Sports Weekly and she said no. I came very close to asking her if a wild-eyed, emotionally overwrought man in his late 70s had been asking for that publication, but I caught myself in time.
I stopped in this gas station/party store yesterday and noticed that they had resumed selling the USA Today Sports Weekly. It saddens me that I can't tell Ron about that.
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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Sun Aug 18, 2024 12:13 pm

Nice article about Pinky Deras. Here's an article about his Little League championship.

Detroit Free Press, 8/30/1959

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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Tue Aug 20, 2024 10:55 am

Six months since Ron left us...

What did we probably miss?

An interview with Ken Holland about the recent success of the Edmonton Oilers and Holland's departure from that organization (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Holla ... ton_Oilers).

An interview with Jim Leyland about his Hall of Fame induction and Tiger number retirement.

Some choice words from Denny McLain about the Tigers' reliance on bullpen games.

Some very carefully worded comments about the near assassination of someone Ron hated—Donald Trump.

Some very strong comments about Jim Harbaugh, including how he ran off to the Los Angeles Chargers to avoid NCAA punishment and to avoid a much tougher UM football schedule, as well as (as Momo mentioned) Harbaugh's interest in bringing Colin Kaepernick back to pro football. And of course, how he still owes Ron 10 dinners.
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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by radiofan1974 » Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:08 pm

I wouls always give him credit for still being able to reach out and connect with folks for an interview. Amazed that he was able to connect with Jimmy D and other folks

I enjoyed the interviews with Ray Scott, Ray was good on expanding on Rons questions with his answers.

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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:07 am

radiofan1974 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2024 3:08 pm
I wouls always give him credit for still being able to reach out and connect with folks for an interview. Amazed that he was able to connect with Jimmy D and other folks

I enjoyed the interviews with Ray Scott, Ray was good on expanding on Rons questions with his answers.
Jimmy D and Ray were always good interviews. They both had deliberate, intelligent ways of expressing themselves.
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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Momo » Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:40 am

Speaking of regular guests, has Denny been heard from in these last six months?

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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Bobbert » Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:57 am

Momo wrote:
Fri Aug 23, 2024 11:40 am
Speaking of regular guests, has Denny been heard from in these last six months?
He celebrated his 80th birthday with appearances in Ohio and Florida.

https://www.limaohio.com/top-stories/20 ... d-valleys/



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Re: Ron Cameron

Post by Momo » Fri Aug 23, 2024 1:06 pm

Thanks, Bobbert.

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