Hamas Attacks Israel

[km1125]

As much as I've wanted to give TC Talks the benefit of the doubt here, as I don't like war any more than anybody else, my problem with his position is that he is distinguishing between Israel as a legitimate country and Hamas as a terrorist organization and basically arguing that "terrorists gonna terrorize" but legitimate countries need to take a moral high ground and be better. The problem with that argument is that while Hamas is indeed a terrorist organization, it also controls a piece of land, effectively making the Gaza strip comparable to a small country. And TC's position (which is no surprise given how he feels about an individual's right to defend him/herself against a threat of great bodily harm or death) is that Israel should have its ability to adequately defend itself basically neutered and that while he "condemns" terrorism, he still passively allows them to do what it is that they do and without significant consequence.

There is one key difference between Israel and Hamas though, and that is that Israel, despite having nuclear capabilities, is declining to use those capabilities. Make no mistake about it - if Hamas had nukes (which Iran would almost certainly provide them if they had them), they would quite literally wipe Israel off the face of the earth and make that place unlivable for the next few hundred years.

Not that I want to try it... but do you really think they are foolish enough to kill themselves and everyone around them? That's awfully counterproductive...

Isn't their stated goal to die for their cause?

[Bryce]

Why aren't any of the Arab countries, that claim to care so much for the "Palestinians" offering to take the Gaza Palestinians in? Hell, Egypt wont even open the gateway to their border.

And while I'm at it, why hasn't Biden ordered a C M5 to fly over to Israel and bring back Americans that want to leave?

[TC Talks]

Why aren't any of the Arab countries, that claim to care so much for the "Palestinians" offering to take the Gaza Palestinians in? Hell, Egypt wont even open the gateway to their border.

And while I'm at it, why hasn't Biden ordered a C M5 to fly over to Israel and bring back Americans that want to leave?

Here's the king of diplomacy giving advice...

I am sure Israel has warned neighboring countries to not get involved.

[craig11152]

I am sure Israel has warned neighboring countries to not get involved.

And of course you know this because of your connections in the state Department, the DOD and the CIA, not to mention the construction of the 60 million dollar desalination plant you are overseeing in Gaza.

[TC Talks]

Iran has, many times, stated its intent to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. While TC Talks claims that Iran involvement in funding Hamas is a "conspiracy theory," I beg to differ. If Iran had nukes, it would use Hamas to blow up Israel. Whether Hamas would go along that (for the reason you mention) is unknown, but they are crazy, irrational people, so who knows.

Let's focus on the citizens who are being burned to death by a foreign military that has cut of water, power, food and aid from the UN.

You have these dramatic black and white ideas, and it's not that simple. Should the US government wipe out the cities of the insurgent actors from Jan 6. Here's the list, everyone in these towns are a threat to the USA, we should bomb them immediately for attacking our country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ ... t_of_cases

Does this sound silly to you? This is what is happening in Gaza right now.

[TC Talks]

I am sure Israel has warned neighboring countries to not get involved.

And of course you know this because of your connections in the state Department, the DOD and the CIA, not to mention the construction of the 60 million dollar desalination plant you are overseeing in Gaza.

Or I read... And Netanyahu has issues warning to his neighbors.

BBC Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas' deadly cross-border raid, a US congressional panel chairman has said.

House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as "absolutely false".

Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history.

"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen," Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.

"I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given," the Texas Republican added. "I think the question was at what level."

[craig11152]

I am sure Israel has warned neighboring countries to not get involved.

And of course you know this because of your connections in the state Department, the DOD and the CIA, not to mention the construction of the 60 million dollar desalination plant you are overseeing in Gaza.

Or I read... And Netanyahu has issues warning to his neighbors.

BBC Israel was warned by Egypt of potential violence three days before Hamas' deadly cross-border raid, a US congressional panel chairman has said.

House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee head Michael McCaul told reporters of the alleged warning.

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu described the reports as "absolutely false".

Israeli intelligence services are under scrutiny for their failure to prevent the deadliest attack by Palestinian militants in Israel's 75-year history.

"We know that Egypt has warned the Israelis three days prior that an event like this could happen," Mr McCaul told reporters following a closed-door intelligence briefing on Wednesday for lawmakers about the Middle East crisis, according to AFP news agency.

"I don't want to get too much into classified, but a warning was given," the Texas Republican added. "I think the question was at what level."

Its friday afternoon, just how drunk are you?

[Bryce]

Why aren't any of the Arab countries, that claim to care so much for the "Palestinians" offering to take the Gaza Palestinians in? Hell, Egypt wont even open the gateway to their border.

And while I'm at it, why hasn't Biden ordered a C M5 to fly over to Israel and bring back Americans that want to leave?

Here's the king of diplomacy giving advice...

I am sure Israel has warned neighboring countries to not get involved.

Israel has begged Egypt to open their gateway, they won't do it.

[craig11152]

And while I'm at it, why hasn't Biden ordered a C M5 to fly over to Israel and bring back Americans that want to leave?

In my personal opinion it shouldn't be assumed the military will go try to save every American who voluntarily goes to volatile parts of the world. On my list of volatile parts of the world would be the mideast, large swaths of Africa most of central America pretty much any communist or socialist country.

[Turkeytop]

I met a woman in my Union who grew up in Russia. After the collapse of the Soviet Union she moved to Israel for about ten years before moving to Canada and settling in Montreal.

I asked her if she had ever witnessed any terrorism in Israel. She said it happens all the time. Once, she was waiting at a bus stop. Just as the bus was approaching it exploded from a terrorist bomb.

I told her she must find life in Canada awfully boring. She said yes. Told me that for the first year she was here, she cried every night.

[bmw]

Should the US government wipe out the cities of the insurgent actors from Jan 6. Here's the list, everyone in these towns are a threat to the USA, we should bomb them immediately for attacking our country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ ... t_of_cases

Does this sound silly to you? This is what is happening in Gaza right now.

This particular analogy may be the most idiotic analogy in the history of the Buzzboard. Comparing the actors on January 6th to the Hamas terrorists? I don't seem to recall anybody on January 6th being beheaded or taken hostage.

It was only a matter of time before you finally went off the rails.

[Honeyman]

Should the US government wipe out the cities of the insurgent actors from Jan 6. Here's the list, everyone in these towns are a threat to the USA, we should bomb them immediately for attacking our country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ ... t_of_cases

Does this sound silly to you? This is what is happening in Gaza right now.

This particular analogy may be the most idiotic analogy in the history of the Buzzboard. Comparing the actors on January 6th to the Hamas terrorists? I don't seem to recall anybody on January 6th being beheaded or taken hostage.

It was only a matter of time before you finally went off the rails.

[TC Talks]

Should the US government wipe out the cities of the insurgent actors from Jan 6. Here's the list, everyone in these towns are a threat to the USA, we should bomb them immediately for attacking our country. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_ ... t_of_cases

Does this sound silly to you? This is what is happening in Gaza right now.

This particular analogy may be the most idiotic analogy in the history of the Buzzboard. Comparing the actors on January 6th to the Hamas terrorists? I don't seem to recall anybody on January 6th being beheaded or taken hostage.

It was only a matter of time before you finally went off the rails.

Since I pointed out that it's a ludicrous idea I think I get a pass has to be as crazy as you. The bottom line is that Israel needs to be careful not to brutalize a citizenry that is not involved with terrorism. The United States killed 300,000 Iraqi citizens in the quest to get their army. I don't want to see that kind of a tragedy happen in Gaza. I happen to have a friend there.

[bmw]

Speaking of brutalizing a citizenry that is not involved with terrorism...

https://www.ndtv.com/world-news/documen ... rt-4480800

The attack plans seem to be orders for two trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians gather. The Hamas group created detailed plans to target elementary schools and a youth centre in the Israeli kibbutz of Kfar Sa'ad to "kill as many people as possible", hold hostages and quickly take them into the Gaza Strip, documents have revealed, NBC News reported.

The attack plans, termed "top secret" in Arabic, seem to be orders for two trained Hamas units to surround and infiltrate villages and target places where civilians gather. Israeli authorities are yet to determine the death count in Kfar Sa'ad, according to NBC News.
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The documents found on the bodies of Hamas operatives by Israel's first responders included detailed maps and indicated that Hamas intended to kill or hold civilians as hostages.

One page titled "Top Secret" included details of the plan for an attack on Kfar Sa'ad asking "Combat unit 1" to "contain the new Da'at school," while "Combat unit 2" was directed to "collect hostages", "search the Bnei Akiva youth centre" and "search the old Da'at school". Another page labelled "Top Secret Maneuver" outlined a plan for a Hamas unit to secure the Kfar Sa'ad's east side while a second unit controls the west.

According to the plan, Hamas units were directed to "kill as many as possible" and "capture hostages". In addition, the Hamas units were asked to surround a dining hall and hold hostages in it.

[TC Talks]

This whole situation is crazy. Why would Hamas think this would further progress of the Palestine nation?