Good guy (or rather woman) with gun stops bad guy with AR-15

[Matt]

Maybe we should encourage water guns instead of actual guns.

[Honeyman]

We never hear an answer to the question of why an 18 year old needs and should be allowed to buy an AR-15. Just bullshit rhetoric like, "Do we really need anything but food and water?" or that if 18 year olds can vote they should have other rights, or blah, blah, blah. Probably because there is no good answer to that question. Common sense can tell you that.

The "age" part of your question is a red herring as 18-year-olds have the same Constitutional rights as 40-year olds. So to the extent you're asking "why" one should be allowed to buy an AR-15, the answer is because buying guns is a Constitutional right. You are owed no further justification.

The real question here is where we draw the line on which weapons pose a threat to public safety such that the right of the public to be safe outweighs your 2nd Amendment right to bear a particular arm and whether the AR-15 specifically crosses that line. That's really the only question relevant to this debate.

But 18 year olds are not allowed to buy the same guns in other states, are they? Give me some bullshit justification for that.

[bmw]

I'm not sure what your point is. Different states have different regulations. But a recent federal court ruling (I think just last year) found that having restrictions for people age 18-20 that didn't apply to people 21+ was unconstitutional.

[Honeyman]

Why does an 18 year old need an AR-15?

[Bryce]

Why does an 18 year old need an AR-15?

Maybe they need or want one because there are 16 year old gangbangers driving around their neighborhood with illegal AR 15's in their car?

Would it be OK for an 18 year old to buy one of these?

[bmw]

Why does an 18 year old need an AR-15?

I don't get why you're so hung up on this question. IT DOESN'T MATTER why anyone of any age needs a gun. They have a right to keep it and bear it. End of discussion.

Again - if you want to debate whether the AR-15 specifically is more akin to say a nuclear bomb than a BB gun and thus subject to an outright ban, then fine. But you seem stuck on people having to justify to you their reason for exercising their Constitutional rights. You wouldn't ask, for example, "Why does an 18 year old need to go to church?"

[Matt]

Cap guns?

[MWmetalhead]

The primary purpose of the second amendment was to ensure the defense of the country from outside threats via a "well regulated militia."

The armed forces as they exist today did not exist when the Bill of Rights was drafted. Men literally brought their own guns to the battlefield.

Maniacs wielding high capacity assault rifles does nothing to promote the security of a free nation. In fact, it is antithetical to that cause.

Constitutional and common law scholars do largely agree that the Second Amendment also establishes a right to possess or bear arms for personal defense purposes, and that military affiliation is not a prerequisite.

[Bryce]

Maniacs wielding high capacity assault rifles

So how about we concentrate on the maniacs and how they become so.

[Matt]

Nerf guns?

[bmw]

Maniacs wielding high capacity assault rifles

So how about we concentrate on the maniacs and how they become so.

A lot of them start without a father figure in the home.

Children living in a single parent home have higher rates of substance abuse, dropping out of school, developing behavioral disorders and suicide. According to the Interuniversity Consortium for Political and Social Research, young men growing up without fathers are 279 percent more likely to carry guns and deal drugs than young men living with their father involved in home life. The Journal in Research in Crime and Delinquency reported that the most reliable predictor of violent crime within a community is the pervasiveness of fatherless homes.

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2018/03/fathe ... -violence/

[Honeyman]

A lot of them start without a father figure in the home.

Children living in a single parent home have higher rates of substance abuse, dropping out of school, developing behavioral disorders and suicide. According to the Interuniversity Consortium for Political and Social Research, young men growing up without fathers are 279 percent more likely to carry guns and deal drugs than young men living with their father involved in home life. The Journal in Research in Crime and Delinquency reported that the most reliable predictor of violent crime within a community is the pervasiveness of fatherless homes.

https://ndsmcobserver.com/2018/03/fathe ... -violence/

Hmmmm, and why are there not fathers in many homes? Can you say unwanted pregnancies?

All the more reason a woman should have the choice over her own body.

[Matt]

Glue guns?

[km1125]

It's clear the AR-15 is the weapon of choice among mass murderers or would-be mass murderers.

High capacity semi-auto firearms capable of firing deadly rounds should not be available for members of the general public to purchase. Current background check procedures need to be enhanced and expanded to include spouses, children, and co-habitants.

Much greater access to mental health services at secondary and collegiate schools needs to occur.

Violent video games should be made illegal.

Parents and guardians should be held criminally accountable for actions perpetrated by their children with unlocked firearms.

Metal detectors or officers with metal detecting wands should be stationed at school entrances.

Wow. Most of those suggestions are really "out there", but the one regarding parents -specifically- and including guardians shouldn't be limited to "children with unlocked firearms." EVERY violation by a kid should also be considered a violation by the parents. Parents should be held responsible for their kids' actions.

Perhaps is we established that as a goal then the little things would get corrected well before things escalated to where guns were an issue at all.

[Deleted User 15783]

Hmmmm, and why are there not fathers in many homes? Can you say unwanted pregnancies?

All the more reason a woman should have the choice over her own body.

With this I reluctantly agree.
Providing she terminates when she finds out she's expecting. I can understand a woman deciding, without saying a word to the baby daddy, that she just don't want this dude in the picture for the rest of her life.

I believe I may of mentioned this before.
We have a family member that had a girl with someone that has no idea he has another kid. Her and those close to her sat down and talked it over. It was decided to never let him know. Just wasn't worth having him around.