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How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:00 pm

km1125 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:13 pm
Where is the U.N. on this?? I know they did a vote to condemn the action, but what kind of action are they REALLY taking?? The whole purpose for that group was to AVOID war between member nations, and both Russia and Ukraine are members.

If Russia can't play by the rules, why aren't they being kicked out of the U.N.??
This is one of the few good points you have ever raised. Totally agreed. The UN is fading to the background on all this when they were a much more prominent force in the 90s.


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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Circle Seven » Sun Mar 13, 2022 6:35 pm

km1125 wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:13 pm
If Russia can't play by the rules, why aren't they being kicked out of the U.N.??
Or at least be removed from the Security Council.



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by MWmetalhead » Sun Mar 13, 2022 7:22 pm

bmw wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:48 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:41 pm
I'm not sure any occupant of the White House could've prevented Putin from doing what he has already done.
Everybody puts this in the form of "if Trump were President now..."

I'll ask a different question. Do you think Putin would have went in between 2017 and 2020 if Hillary had been President then?
I have no idea. Maybe, maybe not.



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Rate This » Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:41 am

bmw wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:48 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Sun Mar 13, 2022 12:41 pm
I'm not sure any occupant of the White House could've prevented Putin from doing what he has already done.
Everybody puts this in the form of "if Trump were President now..."

I'll ask a different question. Do you think Putin would have went in between 2017 and 2020 if Hillary had been President then?
Hard to say…. I think it’s safe to say he knows he can threaten us with nukes if we intervene and Trump was unstable enough to use ours so he may have waited on that basis. That’s if Putin is rational… the way this is going that is a truly questionable assumption.

It’s also possible Putin doesn’t give a rats ass what everybody else thinks.



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by bmw » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:17 am

Well what's the point in even having nukes if you're 100% unwilling to use them under any circumstances? Deterrence is non-existent if nobody believes you'll use them.

Also - on what basis have you determined that Trump was in fact "unstable" enough to indiscriminately launch nuclear weapons? He was President for 4 years and never did. I would suggest that the mere perception by our adversaries that he might do that is a positive thing for us.



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Circle Seven » Mon Mar 14, 2022 8:23 am

Rate This wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 7:41 am
…. I think it’s safe to say he knows he can threaten us with nukes if we intervene and Trump was unstable enough to use ours so he may have waited on that basis ....
I've seen and heard a few liberal commentators say the same thing you are.
Putin wouldn't of invaded if The Donald had got reelected.



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Bryce » Mon Mar 14, 2022 9:38 am

Personally, I think Putin watched the debacle in Afghanistan unfold, saw that we were more than willing to roll over for the Taliban on top of abandoning American citizens and those that helped us. This coupled with the Obama/Biden administration lack of involvement in Crimea and saw it as a green light to go,

In so much as the disaster in Afghanistan would not happened the way it did under a Trump presidency, I don't think the Ukrainian invasion would have taken place.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by bmw » Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:08 pm

Elon Musk has challenged Putin to a duel. Winner gets Ukraine.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/e ... ttle-devil



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:25 pm

Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing. Trump rejected Zelensky's request to have talks about Ukraine joining NATO in 2019.


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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by km1125 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:42 pm

MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:25 pm
Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing. Trump rejected Zelensky's request to have talks about Ukraine joining NATO in 2019.
But the facts are that Trump gave Ukraine actual defensive weapons rather than just blankets and Putin did not make a move on Ukraine while Trump was in office..



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Deleted User 9015 » Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:50 pm

km1125 wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:42 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:25 pm
Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing. Trump rejected Zelensky's request to have talks about Ukraine joining NATO in 2019.
But the facts are that Trump gave Ukraine actual defensive weapons rather than just blankets and Putin did not make a move on Ukraine while Trump was in office..
and correlation equals causation!



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Matt » Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:55 am

Neckbeard wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:50 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:42 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:25 pm
Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing. Trump rejected Zelensky's request to have talks about Ukraine joining NATO in 2019.
But the facts are that Trump gave Ukraine actual defensive weapons rather than just blankets and Putin did not make a move on Ukraine while Trump was in office..
and correlation equals causation!
You think he knows what that means?


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by km1125 » Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:57 am

Neckbeard wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:50 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:42 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:25 pm
Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing. Trump rejected Zelensky's request to have talks about Ukraine joining NATO in 2019.
But the facts are that Trump gave Ukraine actual defensive weapons rather than just blankets and Putin did not make a move on Ukraine while Trump was in office..
and correlation equals causation!
While that may be true in this case, that statement "Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing." could not have been based on correlation, causation, nor any discernable fact.

Just "feelings", which you guys seem to have perfected.



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Deleted User 9015 » Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:12 am

km1125 wrote:
Tue Mar 15, 2022 9:57 am
Neckbeard wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 10:50 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:42 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:25 pm
Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing. Trump rejected Zelensky's request to have talks about Ukraine joining NATO in 2019.
But the facts are that Trump gave Ukraine actual defensive weapons rather than just blankets and Putin did not make a move on Ukraine while Trump was in office..
and correlation equals causation!
While that may be true in this case, that statement "Putin would have invaded and Trump would have been giving weapons to Russia or do nothing." could not have been based on correlation, causation, nor any discernable fact.

Just "feelings", which you guys seem to have perfected.
Some logical fallacies are better than others. Got it.



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Re: How concerned are you about the possibility of World War III ?

Post by Bryce » Tue Mar 15, 2022 11:33 am

One indisputable fact remains. Putin did not invade the Ukraine during the Trump presidency. Whatever the reason may be, he felt emboldened to do so now.

Doesn't it make you wonder, even a little bit, about the 3 million dollars the wife of the Mayor of Moscow sent to Hunter Biden?


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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