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Vaccine Not So Effective?

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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by TC Talks » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:49 pm

bmw wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:18 pm
Matt wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:49 pm
No comment on zzand's 40 year old fellow anti-vaxxer son? How's natural immunity working out for him?
I don't know enough about any underlying conditions his son may or may not have to further comment.
You can just feel that sympathy oozing out of him...


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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by bmw » Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:59 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:49 pm
bmw wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:18 pm
Matt wrote:
Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:49 pm
No comment on zzand's 40 year old fellow anti-vaxxer son? How's natural immunity working out for him?
I don't know enough about any underlying conditions his son may or may not have to further comment.
You can just feel that sympathy oozing out of him...
F**k off.

I have wished his son well MULTIPLE times. I was simply answering Matt's inquiry as to why I haven't made a natural immunity comment on this specific person.

It is you and others who have an orgasm every time an outspoken republican gets Covid and ends up deathly ill. I've never once taken joy in somebody with whom I disagree with enduring pain and suffering.

So seriously, just f--k off.



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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by zzand » Sun Oct 17, 2021 8:43 am

BMW has wished my son well several times, so he is right. To answer your question, he is 40, no health issues unless you think being 6 foot 7 is a health condition. No one can figure out where the hell he got the height. No blood pressure or diabetes, maybe 20 pounds or so overweight, not anymore since he gets fed through a tube. Because of his now former job, bus driver, he worked out daily. nothing big but he kept in shape. Gets the odd cold and had the flu a couple of times. Doesn't drink, smoke or use drugs. Unremarkable medical history actually. His only issue is foot problems due to his height. Doctors have been stumped as to why he has been hit so hard. Keep in mind both his sisters have had it twice and while both were damn sick both are fully recovered and vaxxed.....also pasting from an AP article...

Peter Wade
Fri, October 15, 2021, 4:19 PM
Credit: AP
Credit: AP
Getting vaccinated can significantly reduce your chances of dying from Covid-19. Like, really significantly.

Throughout the month of August, unvaccinated adults were 11 times more likely to die from Covid-19 than fully vaccinated adults, according to new data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
The CDC also found that unvaccinated adults faced a six times as likely to contract the virus than fully vaccinated adults. The data marks the first time the CDC has released information about how Covid-19 risks can differ depending on vaccination status.



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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by bmw » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:00 am

6'7" is quite tall - I'm not sure we even have any data on whether being THAT tall is a Covid risk factor or not.

As to being overweight, if you are curious, being a slightly to moderately overweight adult under the age of 65 increases your risk of hospitalization by 7 to 18 percent compared to someone with a healthy weight. Interestingly enough, being in the slightly overweight category actually REDUCES your odds of death by about 10 percent. This per CDC data from the alpha variant (so not sure how this applies to Delta).

Side-note: Being underweight appears to be as much as a risk factor as being moderately obese.

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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by TC Talks » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:03 am

BMW can you comprehend what Zzand just posted?

And you have been promoting ill will for months trying to influence people that your ideas are sound and safe?

Take a look in the mirror.


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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by Honeyman » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:21 am

bmw wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:00 am


Side-note: Being underweight appears to be as much as a risk factor as being moderately obese.
:lol. So now you can't be too heavy or too thin for bmw's convoluted data hypothesis bullshit.


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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by bmw » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:24 am

TC Talks wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:03 am
And you have been promoting ill will for months trying to influence people that your ideas are sound and safe?
I have always been viewing this pandemic and our response to it through the lens of LONG-TERM consequences. Last year's lockdowns? Those will have long-term consequences. Vaccine mandates? Long-term consequences. Spending trillions of dollars in vein trying to stop an unstoppable problem? Severe long-term consequences. Making children wear masks for years on end while going back and forth between remote and in-person learning? Severe long-term consequences. Vaccinating people who are low-risk? The verdict is still out on this one, but I believe it will have a net negative set of long-term consequences.

You can take your self-proclaimed moral superiority and shove it. I believe that when history looks back in 10 to 20 years at Covid that it will view the government's and society's response as a whole to Covid as one of the most dangerous and overblown responses in the history of pandemics.



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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by bmw » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:25 am

Honeyman wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:21 am
bmw wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:00 am


Side-note: Being underweight appears to be as much as a risk factor as being moderately obese.
:lol. So now you can't be too heavy or too thin for bmw's convoluted data hypothesis bullshit.
I'm just reading from a CDC chart. Do you dispute the CDC data as presented above?



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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by Honeyman » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:38 am

bmw wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:25 am
Honeyman wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:21 am
bmw wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:00 am


Side-note: Being underweight appears to be as much as a risk factor as being moderately obese.
:lol. So now you can't be too heavy or too thin for bmw's convoluted data hypothesis bullshit.
I'm just reading from a CDC chart. Do you dispute the CDC data as presented above?
The only thing indisputable is this. If you get the vaccine, you have less of a chance of dying or getting seriously ill than if you don't. Period. Done. End of story. The fact that you incessantly bring up numbers to argue against that fact is why many do not take you seriously here.


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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by bmw » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:48 am

Honeyman wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:38 am
The only thing indisputable is this. If you get the vaccine, you have less of a chance of dying or getting seriously ill than if you don't. Period. Done. End of story.
And therein lies the problem. You and others remain fixated on that single point and can't look beyond it. As I noted in my post above, I'm viewing this through the lens of the long-term. If you think that a vaccine that significantly loses its efficacy after 6-8 months and still allows for a significant number of breakthrough cases is the end-all, be-all solution, then there's really no point in us carrying on this conversation any further.



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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by km1125 » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:06 pm

Honeyman wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:38 am
The only thing indisputable is this. If you get the vaccine, you have less of a chance of dying or getting seriously ill than if you don't. Period. Done. End of story. The fact that you incessantly bring up numbers to argue against that fact is why many do not take you seriously here.
There is one other indisputable thing... that the vaccine wears off. How often do you need to get a booster to maintain any reasonable benefit? Once a year? Twice a year? Three times a year?



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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by TC Shuts Up » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:15 pm

I have long been an enthusiastic supporter and taker of flu vaccines. However, this is drastically different. Here's the REAL Hockey Stick Graph, of VAERS mortality reports over the years. Numerous vaccines have been discontinued after just a few deaths. What is different now? Remember that it's TRUMP'S VACCINE, and maybe you'll start to understand.

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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by Honeyman » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:47 pm

bmw wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:48 am
Honeyman wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:38 am
The only thing indisputable is this. If you get the vaccine, you have less of a chance of dying or getting seriously ill than if you don't. Period. Done. End of story.
BLAH, BLAH BLAH.....As I noted in my post above, I'm viewing this through the lens of the long-term.....BLAH, BLAH, BLAH
I would consider "death" long-term, but I guess that's just me.


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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by Matt » Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:48 pm

TC Shuts Up wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 1:15 pm
I have long been an enthusiastic supporter and taker of flu vaccines. However, this is drastically different. Here's the REAL Hockey Stick Graph, of VAERS mortality reports over the years. Numerous vaccines have been discontinued after just a few deaths. What is different now? Remember that it's TRUMP'S VACCINE, and maybe you'll start to understand.

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VAERS is bullshit: https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... iases.html


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Re: Vaccine Not So Effective?

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Thu Nov 04, 2021 8:10 pm

bmw wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:24 am
TC Talks wrote:
Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:03 am
And you have been promoting ill will for months trying to influence people that your ideas are sound and safe?
I have always been viewing this pandemic and our response to it through the lens of LONG-TERM consequences. Last year's lockdowns? Those will have long-term consequences. Vaccine mandates? Long-term consequences. Spending trillions of dollars in vein trying to stop an unstoppable problem? Severe long-term consequences. Making children wear masks for years on end while going back and forth between remote and in-person learning? Severe long-term consequences. Vaccinating people who are low-risk? The verdict is still out on this one, but I believe it will have a net negative set of long-term consequences.

You can take your self-proclaimed moral superiority and shove it. I believe that when history looks back in 10 to 20 years at Covid that it will view the government's and society's response as a whole to Covid as one of the most dangerous and overblown responses in the history of pandemics.
At this rate, there may not be anyone unvaxxed left to write such a biased history.


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