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It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Rate This » Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:53 pm

Bryce wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 6:07 pm
Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 1:33 pm

Pfizer specifically didn’t participate in Operation Warp Speed fearing politicization of its efforts.
Yeah? You are ill informed.

They absolutely were involved.
For those noting Pfizer wasn’t formally part of OWS, the reason it will be able to mass produce 100M doses & distribute them once approved is because of the partnership it struck with HHS & the military supporting distribution logistics – which we’ve been working on for months

— Alyssa Farah (@Alyssafarah) November 9, 2020
As David Marcus, the Federalist's New York Correspondent said:
Make no mistake this vaccine and others, as well as therapeutics, are deeply tied to the president’s efforts on Operation Warp Speed. It doesn’t matter how much anybody hates Donald Trump, the truth is the truth.
Distribution logistics is a whole different thing than the Presidents efforts speeding up its DEVELOPMENT... nice try.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Bryce » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:18 pm

A 1.95 billion dollar contract, signed in July, sure seems like participation to me...


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Rate This » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:22 pm

Bryce wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:18 pm
A 1.95 billion dollar contract, signed in July, sure seems like participation to me...
In getting it distributed widely should its pan out. That’s not the same as hitching your wagon to Trump’s plan.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Bryce » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:28 pm

They signed a guaranteed contract in July. JULY. AFTER OWS WAS STARTED.

1.95 BILLION DOLLARS WORTH WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT UNDER TRUMP. LOGISTICS IS A BIG PART. ITS ONE OF THE THINGS THAT MAKE IT WARP SPEED.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by km1125 » Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm

For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Rate This » Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm

km1125 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm
For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.
Trump took credit for it.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Matt » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:53 am

Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm
For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.
Trump took credit for it.
You're a transportation person without an understanding of logistics? How is that possible?


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 am

Matt wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:53 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm
For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.
Trump took credit for it.
You're a transportation person without an understanding of logistics? How is that possible?
Trump took credit for making all of this happen. In reality someone said something to him and he said ok. When you think about it that isn’t doing much. You are making it sound like he personally sat behind the resolute desk and set it all up.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Matt » Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:56 am

Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 am
Matt wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:53 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm
For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.
Trump took credit for it.
You're a transportation person without an understanding of logistics? How is that possible?
Trump took credit for making all of this happen. In reality someone said something to him and he said ok. When you think about it that isn’t doing much. You are making it sound like he personally sat behind the resolute desk and set it all up.
It happened under his watch and direction. It looks like he was correct about the initial availability of the vaccine too. Its almost like he knew what he was doing!


What's more pathetic: harassing an old man who is paying to do a radio show or supporting a grifter like Trump?

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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 10, 2020 9:21 am

Matt wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:56 am
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 am
Matt wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:53 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm
For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.
Trump took credit for it.
You're a transportation person without an understanding of logistics? How is that possible?
Trump took credit for making all of this happen. In reality someone said something to him and he said ok. When you think about it that isn’t doing much. You are making it sound like he personally sat behind the resolute desk and set it all up.
It happened under his watch and direction. It looks like he was correct about the initial availability of the vaccine too. Its almost like he knew what he was doing!
He moved the goalposts on vaccine availability from early September all the way until Election Day... it’s like his health care plan... always here in 2 weeks. He’s gonna be right eventually... kind of like the old saying about a blind squirrel.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by km1125 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:51 am

Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 am
Matt wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:53 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm
For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.
Trump took credit for it.
You're a transportation person without an understanding of logistics? How is that possible?
Trump took credit for making all of this happen. In reality someone said something to him and he said ok. When you think about it that isn’t doing much. You are making it sound like he personally sat behind the resolute desk and set it all up.
I doubt it. I'll bet a bunch of folks kept saying "18 months to 3 years) and he kept saying NOT GOOD ENOUGH. When manufacturers expressed doubt about pouring efforts (money and R&D)into a vaccine that might be a one-time thing, he assured them the government would buy billions worth if they could make it work. THAT motivated them to pull out all the stops and get it done. THAT is how good leaders work - push and challenge the experts to do better than they think they can and remove obstacles when the are presented.

He might have been optimistic in saying the vaccine would be ready in September, but actually he might turn out to be 100% correct on that too, it just wasn't validated and approved until November. If they don't have to change anything in the vaccine based on the validation tests, then he was correct... it was ready in September.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 10, 2020 11:59 am

km1125 wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 10:51 am
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 am
Matt wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:53 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:12 pm
km1125 wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:38 pm
For months and months ALL the "experts" were saying there was NO WAY a vaccine would be available for -at a minimum- 18 months and more likely 3 years and then would take years after that to distribute.

The reality is that it happened in less than 12!!

TRUMP made this possible.
Trump took credit for it.
You're a transportation person without an understanding of logistics? How is that possible?
Trump took credit for making all of this happen. In reality someone said something to him and he said ok. When you think about it that isn’t doing much. You are making it sound like he personally sat behind the resolute desk and set it all up.
I doubt it. I'll bet a bunch of folks kept saying "18 months to 3 years) and he kept saying NOT GOOD ENOUGH. When manufacturers expressed doubt about pouring efforts (money and R&D)into a vaccine that might be a one-time thing, he assured them the government would buy billions worth if they could make it work. THAT motivated them to pull out all the stops and get it done. THAT is how good leaders work - push and challenge the experts to do better than they think they can and remove obstacles when the are presented.

He might have been optimistic in saying the vaccine would be ready in September, but actually he might turn out to be 100% correct on that too, it just wasn't validated and approved until November. If they don't have to change anything in the vaccine based on the validation tests, then he was correct... it was ready in September.
It’s gonna take an additional 2-3 months to have it ready to use. It still has to go through official approval.

Given how badly he botched the rest of this I highly doubt he magically overachieved here. He’s not a leader at all. He’s a demander. That’s not leadership.



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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Bryce » Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:37 pm

Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 am

Trump took credit for making all of this happen. In reality someone said something to him and he said ok.
Hmmm, I seem to remember you heralding the fact that Obama took out Bin Laden.

Wait for it....

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Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:32 am
That was different
NO. Same. Except for the fact that the Bin Laden effort was underway long before Obama was president.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by UP906 » Tue Nov 10, 2020 4:59 pm

Trump killed a bazillion people with covid, but has no part in getting the vaccine moving.

Got it.


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Re: It looks like Trump was right about the vaccine

Post by Rate This » Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:09 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 3:37 pm
Rate This wrote:
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:41 am

Trump took credit for making all of this happen. In reality someone said something to him and he said ok.
Hmmm, I seem to remember you heralding the fact that Obama took out Bin Laden.

Wait for it....

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Rate This wrote:
Mon Nov 09, 2020 11:32 am
That was different
NO. Same. Except for the fact that the Bin Laden effort was underway long before Obama was president.
That’s an individual instance of having a choice to do a single action. Your comparing it to mismanagement of a health crisis with dozens of mistakes made. Apples and giraffes.



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