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Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by km1125 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:25 am

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Yet, your president refused to denounce militias and white supremacists.
Why should **ANYBODY** denounce militias??? They are ingrained in our CONSTITUTION and an important part of the country.



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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by TC Talks » Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:37 am

km1125 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 10:25 am
Turkeytop wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 1:35 pm
Yet, your president refused to denounce militias and white supremacists.
Why should **ANYBODY** denounce militias??? They are ingrained in our CONSTITUTION and an important part of the country.
For starters we have police, fbi, the military to do that kind of work. Uneducated morons with weapons are not somebody I would rely on for protection. If not for any other reason than they're crazy idiots.
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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:03 am

Militias = bunch of low income losers with dead-end lives who are trying to make themselves feel important, and at times, resort or consider resorting to domestic terrorism.

Sounds like a bunch of members of the upper crust of society were involved in this plot:
- Adam Fox, arguably the ring leader, was more-or-less homeless and lived in the tiny unfinished basement of a vacuum repair shop in Wyoming, MI (Kent County);
- Another guy, originally from Wyandotte, lived in a trailer home owned by an older man and woman in Hartland Twp;
- Two more men resided in Shelbyville (complete shithole located a few miles south of the Gun Lake casino);
- A couple other adherents were from Munith (NW Jackson County). If it's anything like nearby Parma, that explains a lot.

One of the men - might have been the guy who was killed in Madison Heights - previously served 11 years in prison for shooting at two police officers.

https://www.woodtv.com/news/michigan/bo ... overnment/

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 931431002/


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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:06 am

Now is a good time to remind everyone that km1125 is the same idiot who months ago ran to the defense of deceased U-M sports physician Dr. Anderson here on the Buzzboard and cast aspersions on his victims.


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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by km1125 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:46 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:06 am
Now is a good time to remind everyone that km1125 is the same idiot who months ago ran to the defense of deceased U-M sports physician Dr. Anderson here on the Buzzboard and cast aspersions on his victims.
You forgot to put "victims" in quotes.



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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by km1125 » Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:48 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:03 am
Militias = bunch of low income losers with dead-end lives who are trying to make themselves feel important, and at times, resort or consider resorting to domestic terrorism.
....
You guys are painting all militias with the same brush by using a couple examples.

Do you also do that for all black people, all Asian people or all Muslims too?? Probably.



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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by bmw » Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 am

MW - your criticism of this particular "militia" group is fair, but regarding the broader use of the term, our founding fathers disagree.

This text is straight from the 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...
Our founding fathers believed that militias not only should have the constitutional right to exist, but that their existence is NECESSARY to the security not only of our country, but of a FREE country. As such, they viewed these groups as a necessary check on the power of our leaders.



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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:14 pm

You think a bunch of dangerous white trash morons who likely flunked out of school qualify as "well regulated" ?

The militia referenced in the Constitution was, in essence, our nation's military in the revolutionary era. There were few if any career military officers.

Most militia men in 2020 are wannabe posers who likely would never make it in a real military career, largely live on SSI, charitable handouts, or welfare, and have little to no life outside of their militia exercises.


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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:17 pm

I will await examples of responsible militia groups whose members aren't fringe lunatics and are capable of earning a decent living.

If such groups exist, I'd love to know about them.


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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by bmw » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:30 pm

Sure, let's start with the Michigan Militia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michigan_Militia

They've been around since 1994, had as many as 10,000 members at one time (though those numbers are currently way down), and I can't find much controversial about them.



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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by Rate This » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:36 pm

bmw wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 7:50 pm
MotorCityRadioFreak wrote:
Thu Oct 08, 2020 6:34 pm
Jemele Hill: "Imagine the reaction if someone from BLM was attempting to kidnap a U.S. governor."
Would barely get a mention on the 6:30 news, let alone the lead story.
Let’s make him an Arab.



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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by Rate This » Fri Oct 09, 2020 12:39 pm

bmw wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:51 am
MW - your criticism of this particular "militia" group is fair, but regarding the broader use of the term, our founding fathers disagree.

This text is straight from the 2nd Amendment:
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...
Our founding fathers believed that militias not only should have the constitutional right to exist, but that their existence is NECESSARY to the security not only of our country, but of a FREE country. As such, they viewed these groups as a necessary check on the power of our leaders.
We have one of those without random unregulated help... “The Militia of the United States”...



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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:02 pm

These people hate law enforcement, so it doesn't surprise me they dislike the President, who vocally supports law enforcement.


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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:03 pm

Bmw - I appreciate the reply. I'll do more research on the Michigan Militia this evening. Thanks in advance for your patience.


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Re: Feds Thwart Trumpers’ Plot to Kidnap Whitmer

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Fri Oct 09, 2020 3:54 pm

In 1781, we didn't have a big military force, which is why the Framers included militia in the Constitution. If they had adjusted the Constitution today, they would probably re write it as military forces.

In addition, they had muskets for guns and not AK's. H*** difference.


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