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TC Talks
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by TC Talks » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:32 pm
Trump must turn over his financial records to New York. While these will be protected by Grand Jury rules, leaks will happen.
Congress will not gain access, but it likely won't matter.
The dam is beginning to rupture.
The Supreme Court on Thursday cleared the way for prosecutors in New York to see President Trump’s financial records, a stunning defeat for Mr. Trump but a decision that probably means the records will be shielded from public scrutiny under grand jury secrecy rules until after the election, and perhaps indefinitely.
In a separate decision, the court ruled that Congress could not, at least for now, see many of the same records. The vote in both cases was 7 to 2. Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote both majority opinions.
The court’s decision in favor of the New York prosecutors was a major statement on the scope and limits of presidential power, one that will take its place with landmark rulings that required President Richard M. Nixon to turn over tapes of Oval Office conversations and forced President Bill Clinton to provide evidence in a sexual harassment suit.
In the case concerning the prosecutors’ subpoena, Chief Justice Roberts wrote that “no citizen, not even the president, is categorically above the common duty to produce evidence when called upon in a criminal proceeding.” He added that Mr. Trump may still raise objections to the scope and relevance of the subpoena.
NY Times
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by Deleted User 14896 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:36 pm
Gee Whiz. He hasn't handed them over in 3 1/2 years.
I'm just so confident yet another court decision will suddenly make him change his mind.
Pass what you're smoking please, I'd like to hit that.
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Lester The Nightfly
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by Lester The Nightfly » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:58 pm
Mike Oxlong wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:36 pm
Gee Whiz. He hasn't handed them over in 3 1/2 years.
I'm just so confident yet another court decision will suddenly make him change his mind.
Pass what you're smoking please, I'd like to hit that.
I suppose he could take it to yet another court. Oh, wait... what??
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RedMenace
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by RedMenace » Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 pm
Maybe he should release a bad photoshopped version of his tax returns.
You know, like some people do with birth certificates.
Counting all the assholes in the room I'm defiantly not alone.
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by Rate This » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:21 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:58 pm
Mike Oxlong wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:36 pm
Gee Whiz. He hasn't handed them over in 3 1/2 years.
I'm just so confident yet another court decision will suddenly make him change his mind.
Pass what you're smoking please, I'd like to hit that.
I suppose he could take it to yet another court. Oh, wait... what??
They’ll get them from Mazars. He’s not Joe Schmoe with them in his desk at home.
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TC Talks
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by TC Talks » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:23 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:58 pm
Mike Oxlong wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:36 pm
Gee Whiz. He hasn't handed them over in 3 1/2 years.
I'm just so confident yet another court decision will suddenly make him change his mind.
Pass what you're smoking please, I'd like to hit that.
I suppose he could take it to yet another court. Oh, wait... what??
At this point, they can get the returns without his cooperation.
“The more you can increase fear of drugs, crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.”
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RedMenace
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by RedMenace » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:37 pm
I'm not sure the left was thinking this through all the way. The ramifications for both sides are endless.
Counting all the assholes in the room I'm defiantly not alone.
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Turkeytop
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by Turkeytop » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:45 pm
RedMenace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:37 pm
I'm not sure the left was thinking this through all the way. The ramifications for both sides are endless.
So, when did criminal tax fraud become a left - right issue?
I started out with nothing and I still have most of it.
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hanson
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by hanson » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:47 pm
This will continue well after 2021 as the cell door hits him in the ass when he arrives to start his prison term. maybe he can bunk up with one of his ole pals
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Turkeytop
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by Turkeytop » Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:53 pm
Maybe they'll let him off with house arrest to protect him from Covid 19
I started out with nothing and I still have most of it.
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Lester The Nightfly
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by Lester The Nightfly » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:31 pm
hanson wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:47 pm
This will continue well after 2021 as the cell door hits him in the ass when he arrives to start his prison term. maybe he can bunk up with one of his ole pals
Well yeah, this really has no bearing on the 2020 election other than extra motivation on Trump's part to stay in office where he's largely immune from being held accountable for criminal behavior. My worry is how that motivation plays out.
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by Rate This » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:40 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:31 pm
hanson wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:47 pm
This will continue well after 2021 as the cell door hits him in the ass when he arrives to start his prison term. maybe he can bunk up with one of his ole pals
Well yeah, this really has no bearing on the 2020 election other than extra motivation on Trump's part to stay in office where he's largely immune from being held accountable for criminal behavior. My worry is how that motivation plays out.
The court ruled he is not immune from state prosecution effectively...
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Honeyman
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by Honeyman » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:46 pm
RedMenace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 pm
Maybe he should release a bad photoshopped version of his tax returns.
You know, like some people do with birth certificates.
WOW! A birther still exists?!? I thought these cretins were extinct. Like the dodo bird.
The censorship king from out of state.
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by Deleted User 24 » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:50 pm
Honeyman wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:46 pm
RedMenace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:59 pm
Maybe he should release a bad photoshopped version of his tax returns.
You know, like some people do with birth certificates.
WOW! A birther still exists?!? I thought these cretins were extinct. Like the dodo bird.
You can lead a Trumplestiltskin to knowledge but you can't make them think.
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by Rate This » Thu Jul 09, 2020 2:51 pm
RedMenace wrote: ↑Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:37 pm
I'm not sure the left was thinking this through all the way. The ramifications for both sides are endless.
Apparently they are more focused on transparency and accountability at the moment. But any child of 5 can see that.