Outside Agitators Responsible For Extreme Violence

[Bryce]

Remember - in my analogy - this monthly scenario has gone on for decades throughout the nation -

The problem is - your analogy - along with the claim that white officers are routinely shooting black people, because they're black, is, well, bullshit.

“We found that the race of the officer doesn’t matter when it comes to predicting whether black or white citizens are shot," Cesario said. "If anything, black citizens are more likely to have been shot by black officers"

“Our data show that the rate of crime by each racial group correlates with the likelihood of citizens from that racial group being shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of white people committing crimes, white people are more likely to be shot. If you live in a county that has a lot of black people committing crimes, black people are more likely to be shot. It is the best predictor we have of fatal police shootings.”

https://msutoday.msu.edu/news/2019/the- ... shootings/

[Bryce]

What began as a peaceful protest on Cadillac Square turned violent last night as a result of a small group of outside agitators intervening, according to Detroit police chief, James Craig.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 284855002/

https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/loc ... n-detroit/

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/ ... 285082002/

So, the question is, how did a group of people from various parts of the state, as far north as Essexville, MI, all end up in the same spot at the same time to "agitate?"

Seems to me there is some sort of organization to it. As Nancy would say, 'It's not grass roots, it's astro-turf."

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So Bryce - what about it? In my analogy - unarmed white suburban women - in or around their cars - are being killed by black police officers each month - over decades. A nationwide controversy - displayed in national news stories each time it happens again. And more recently you’re seeing cell phone images of it - the latest featuring an unarmed, handcuffed, white, suburban, woman, urgently repeating “I can’t breathe” as a black cop keeps his knee on her neck for eight minutes. Then she dies.

Might you finally be moved to anger? To protest? With no “outside agitators” (who live to cause trouble) necessary to encourage you to do so? I’m talking about YOU, Bryce. Could YOU understand the loss of hope that this same old deadly, unjust, practice by black cops against suburban white women would ever end? Especially when most of their court trials end in acquittals?

[MWmetalhead]

Totally agree with Bryce's last post. I doubt the fact similar occurrences took place in multiple major cities on the same night is a coincidence. Organization is occurring via social media.

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Of course. Duh! People all over this country are on fire angry that over decades this same example of deadly injustice keeps happening with no end in sight! The video of George Floyd is the straw that’s broken the camel’s back. Finally!

But so called “outside agitators” are being mentioned as antifa types. Members of organizations who live to cause trouble. Like neo-Nazi groups.

Ordinary individuals - black, white, native american, asian - in Minnesota - are explosively angry that this keeps happening. Over decades. As are many Americans throughout the country. They are finally realizing that simply articulating, discussing, talking about this well known unjust deadly issue - with those in power - has accomplished nothing to stop it.

It’s the urgency of now.

[TC Shuts Up]

Most of those people (and I mean radical elements) have been exposed to radical ideas promoted by schools, colleges, and certain Religions and Denominations (Think Reverend Wright) for their entire life. They see things through a different perspective, one where the oppressed masses are routinely beaten and killed, particularly if they are Black. But if Whites do the same things that set officers off and escalate the situation, they'll have the same thing happen to them.

A lot has been promoted about adopting what amounts to National Health Care, by any other name. Maybe what we need is NATIONAL LEGAL CARE. There are currently 1,350,000 lawyers in the US today. Many are twiddling their thumbs because so much can be done quickly with computers and online today, often without an attorney. Say if we required that all lawyers charge a low nominal fee for all services, paid by the government to perform services, and to serve minorities for free. Either this would help end brutality, or everyone would leave the practice of law. Then the government could DRAFT them back into practice. If all this sounds ridiculous, this is the type of government many are promoting here. No one gets rich except a few government workers, and the few toady business executives that the government needs to complete their tyranny.

I don't doubt that Black people got stopped for nothing to very little in the past. But mainly, there are certain reasons people get stopped. I don't blame LL101 for reacting the way he does if he has been hassled for the lifestyle he has reported.

But where they want things to go, everyone would be a SLAVE to the government, regardless of Race, Creed, Color, or National Origin. That is a recipe for a totally repressed, financially dependent on government, at a very low level of compensation, bored and unhappy, society.

Like disease spreads, being all cooped up in a high density city, most in government housing of one description or another, riding disease ridden public transportation, causes a lot of these problems. We need to social distance our whole society, and make them as independent of government as possible.

[MWmetalhead]

Screen Glare -

Normal people don't gather to throw bricks and other projectiles at officers in distant cities who had zero involvement in what took place in Minneapolis.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 111882074/

A lot has been promoted about adopting what amounts to National Health Care, by any other name. Maybe what we need is NATIONAL LEGAL CARE. There are currently 1,350,000 lawyers in the US today. Many are twiddling their thumbs because so much can be done quickly with computers and online today, often without an attorney. Say if we required that all lawyers charge a low nominal fee for all services, paid by the government to perform services, and to serve minorities for free.

We already have public defenders, and many Plaintiff attorneys only charge a fee if their client wins an award.

[TC Shuts Up]

We already have public defenders, and many Plaintiff attorneys only charge a fee if their client wins an award.

For various reasons, this doesn't work very well. And neither would National Legal Care or National Health Care. These ideas are offered up in a similar way to Shakespeare's suggestion that we "kill all the lawyers". What do you call it? A straw man argument, I think.

It would work about as well as the "free clinics" promoted on various teen oriented TV shows and movies for the last 50 years. Nobody works for free, willingly. And there's no such thing as a free lunch or free anything else. Somebody pays for it.

[MWmetalhead]

Want to get bad cops off the streets?

Prosecuting corrupt police union behavior under RICO statutes would go a long way toward accomplishing that goal.

https://www.rstreet.org/2018/07/10/sorr ... or-unions/

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/02/ ... nsibility/

https://theweek.com/articles/860002/unj ... ice-unions

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Totally agree with Bryce's last post. I doubt the fact similar occurrences took place in multiple major cities on the same night is a coincidence. Organization is occurring via social media.

They may not be able to get it under control without shooting if that is the case...

Something like “Fuck the police! Everybody who can come meet at X and cause chaos”... but on what platform? how do you find it?...

Watching the Minnesota officials a couple things..

They are saying these people seem to understand guerrilla tactics and urban warfare. They also appear to be mostly from out of state. Lastly faces covered and all... the folks who were doing the burning and looting were by and large white. St. Paul’s Mayor now reports that all arrests his department made last night were from out of state.

Sounds to me like they are essentially under attack at night and we have essentially two distinct groups up there.

[TC Shuts Up]

Farmington Hills
Flint
Essexville
Bay City
River Rouge
Rochester Hills
South Lyon
(2) Detroit

Fake IDs, provided by ANTIFA type organizations, perhaps. If it doesn't make sense logically, there's close to a 100% percent chance it's not true.

You kids will learn, hopefully before it's too late. Also kids, there's no such thing as a "free lunch", or a "free clinic" needed as a consequence of "free sex".

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New data coming in with Minnesota Governor Walz’s news conference today featuring both twin cities mayors, public safety chief, and Minnesota National Guard leader.

All say - they have evidence - that whether white supremicist, antifa-types, or international agents promoting the break down of US society - last night’s rioting involving building fires and broken glass windows and doors of businesses - was initiated by highly organized groups beyond either Minneapolis and/or Minnesota and/or the United States.

This is non-speculative information. It is evidence-based, according to these officials.

And ... it does not change the governor’s or the mayor’s strong conviction’s that George Floyd’s murder - by the same type of racist police officers who’ve committed the same kinds of murders of unarmed black Americans across the country over decades - usually being acquitted - MUST now FINALLY stop.

And those officials also have not ignored the fact that - past ignored sadness and frustration over these many hate crime killings committed by police - is the inevitable/understandable human reaction to justice denied over too many years - and video of Mr. Floyd’s murder the final straw.

[bmw]

...George Floyd’s murder - by the same type of racist police officers who’ve committed the same kinds of murders of unarmed black Americans across the country over decades - usually being acquitted - MUST now FINALLY stop.

But he was charged already. So why does the protesting/rioting continue? Shouldn't it halt until if and when he's acquitted? (speaking of which, mark my words, he WILL be convicted of 3rd degree murder).

...the inevitable/understandable human reaction to justice denied over too many years - and video of Mr. Floyd’s murder the final straw.

You're parsing your words intentionally here. How about "justified"? Is burning down buildings a justified response?

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Anyone who thinks "White Supremacists" are responsible for the riots is an idiot. They're too busy cleaning their guns and keeping their powder dry so they can defend their homes to be involved with riots. Every time I hear that a "White Man In A White Van" committed a crime, I think that there's probably about a 99.9% chance that it wasn't. It's ANTIFA or some similar organization. They have Fake IDs. Essexville? Give me their names and addresses an I'll see if they match. I'll look up their Facebook Page and other Socialist Media (because that's what they've become) to see if they are a Leftist. I'll look up the voter rolls and see if they match.

[Lester The Nightfly]

Screen Glare -

Normal people don't gather to throw bricks and other projectiles at officers in distant cities who had zero involvement in what took place in Minneapolis.

Perhaps because something very similar has happened in their own hometown. Repeatedly. Sea-to-shining-sea.
Ever play Jenga? Minneapolis was simply a block near the bottom of the stack.