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Wisconsin Supreme Court rules “stay at home” unconstitutional

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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court rules “stay at home” unconstitutional

Post by Rate This » Tue May 19, 2020 3:41 pm

Howard Jones wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 1:54 pm
It would be most intriguing to hear from the SCOTUS. Emergency powers by the government are clearly necessary -- as is the need to have a clear definition of things like timeframes.

My opinion is that, in Michigan, Whitmer was clearly and correctly acting within her powers for the first 28 days, and then again when the legislature granted her the 2-week extension of those powers. Now though? Not so much.

In my mind, an emergency exists when decisions must be made in a matter of hours to address immanent threats to human safety and property. Once that immediate threat is over ... say with the reasonable time frame of 28 days, if the conditions that led to the emergency are still ongoing, the situation evolves into something that can be addressed much more reasonably by a committee (ie the legislature) versus "just" the "emergency manager".

The fight shouldn't be over the rules themselves, some of which are clearly necessary, but instead of who has the power to issue defacto legislation. To me anyway, there simply must be limits on the executive branch's ability to write laws that extend beyond something that addresses an immediate emergency - no matter which party controls which branch of the government. Our entire system of government depends on each branch doing what it does best with the proper checks and balances in place between those branches.

The argument over the very foundation of our system of government is extremely important to me. I don't want any governor or US president getting the kind of power over the people that we have been witnessing since March. I want as many voices engaged as possible in making sound decisions that protect the people while balancing the very freedoms so many have fought and died for since our forefathers saw a way to create a system of government that has been the best in the world for almost 250 years.

There is a reason the states have legislative bodies. No emergency should ever exempt them from being involved in legislating solutions.
When nobody actually wants to work together this is what we get (the legislature said they did but that was a cop out when the tables were turned against them)...

Look at Wisconsin... the legislature she’s, gets the order struck down by the state Supreme Court and then promptly has no plan to do much of anything instead... the end goal was just to be rid of something a Democratic Governor did... that’s it...



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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court rules “stay at home” unconstitutional

Post by Howard Jones » Tue May 19, 2020 3:58 pm

Rate This wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 3:41 pm
When nobody actually wants to work together this is what we get (the legislature said they did but that was a cop out when the tables were turned against them)...

Look at Wisconsin... the legislature she’s, gets the order struck down by the state Supreme Court and then promptly has no plan to do much of anything instead... the end goal was just to be rid of something a Democratic Governor did... that’s it...
Agreed. If a legislative body declines actions to timely mitigate an issue that clearly needs to be addressed, such as a pandemic or natural disaster, the executive should be permitted, with either the guidance of a law or an emergency order by the courts, to take temporary action.


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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court rules “stay at home” unconstitutional

Post by HD74 » Tue May 19, 2020 11:56 pm

Joe Walsh has a hidden track on one of his albums, can’t remember if it was after Life’s Been Good, or In the City, song: Look, there goes a flock of wah wah’s!
Can we now get back to helping each other to survive this crap? Maybe help the old lady next door get groceries or cat food or something? It’ll make you feel good too!


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Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court rules “stay at home” unconstitutional

Post by Rate This » Wed May 20, 2020 12:11 am

HD74 wrote:
Tue May 19, 2020 11:56 pm
Joe Walsh has a hidden track on one of his albums, can’t remember if it was after Life’s Been Good, or In the City, song: Look, there goes a flock of wah wah’s!
Can we now get back to helping each other to survive this crap? Maybe help the old lady next door get groceries or cat food or something? It’ll make you feel good too!
Life’s been good, the hidden track is attached to the version of the song I got from Apple Music...



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