Could We Have a Sane Discussion About Abortion?

[Deleted User 12047]

It is certainly a hot button third-rail topic, and for good reason. I'm going to offer my own tortured thoughts on the subject, which I know will subject me to all sorts of name calling and trolling. But if we could have a serious, sane discussion on the topic, it just might help.

I hate the thought of killing a baby, but I also hate the thought of the government telling anyone what to do with their body.

Do you prosecute the mother who makes the decision or just the doctor who carries out her wishes?

I can't justify being against abortion and for the death penalty.

Making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening... see murder, drug use, child molestation.

We now live in a world where one income households are rare and not really feasible. Parents need child care to make ends meet. Children need health care, which gets more expensive every day. It seems to me that those who are against abortion would look a lot more credible if they were also campaigning to support the baby after it's born as much as they are trying to protect if before it's born.

Thanks... girding my loins now for replies.

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[TC Talks]

The consequences of abortion should be left to God. As for the law, life begins at birth (or 26 weeks based on court decisions) so to call an abortion murder is just ignorant.

Row v Wade protects this medical procedure but if having an abortion conflicts with your faith, don't have one.

What is left to discuss?

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[km1125]

I hate the thought of killing a baby, but I also hate the thought of the government telling anyone what to do with their body.

If the baby is viable, then it's a life and that life should be protected just as it would be at 1 month, 12 months or 10 years.

I can't justify being against abortion and for the death penalty.

Someone who has qualified for the death penalty has proven they are a threat to society and human life. Not likely the baby has done that, but I guess if you could prove they have then maybe they do deserve the same fate.

We now live in a world where one income households are rare and not really feasible. Parents need child care to make ends meet. Children need health care, which gets more expensive every day. It seems to me that those who are against abortion would look a lot more credible if they were also campaigning to support the baby after it's born as much as they are trying to protect if before it's born.

It's just not true that you need more than one income for a household. The ONLY reason many THINK they do is because of unrealistic expectations. I don't know how many "low income" folks I know that pay monthly for cable and fast Internet, always buy the latest iPhone that's out, and also have an iPad or two that are on data plans, among many other luxuries. While you're in a starting job and trying to raise a family, a lot of those luxuries should be bypassed until you climb a couple rungs on the ladder.

[TC Talks]

Again, you are mixing your religion with law. We have a division of church and state in the U.S.

Anyone who is defending unborn fetuses, where are you with living children in cages and foster care? Because it seems like a bunch of hypocrisy flying around.

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It IS hypocrisy.

[Bryce]

It's just not true that you need more than one income for a household. The ONLY reason many THINK they do is because of unrealistic expectations.

BINGO! Studies have shown that people classified as living in poverty in the U.S., have better lifestyles than the people designated as middle class in many other countries.

Here's the deal. If there isn't a heartbeat, it's a abortion. If there's a heartbeat, it's murder.

[Turkeytop]

My view of abortion is that it's morally wrong. If the woman was a member of my family or someone else over whom I had influence I would try to dissuade her. But, in the end, it would be her decision.

I don't believe I have the right to enforce my moral code on others.

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It's just not true that you need more than one income for a household. The ONLY reason many THINK they do is because of unrealistic expectations.

BINGO! Studies have shown that people classified as living in poverty in the U.S., have better lifestyles than the people designated as middle class in many other countries.

Here's the deal. If there isn't a heartbeat, it's a abortion. If there's a heartbeat, it's murder.

But doesn’t it get a heartbeat well before it’s able to survive outside the mother?

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Each pregnant female chooses weather to carry and deliver, or abort. It’s a universal choice. And it’s private. None of your business - because it is not your body.

As irritating, infuriating, confounding, unjust, not fair, or whatever you believe each female’s choice is - it is hers.

And legal, or not, determined pregnant females will always accomplish abortion, if they choose that option. Either DIY, or with assistance.

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It's just not true that you need more than one income for a household. The ONLY reason many THINK they do is because of unrealistic expectations.

BINGO! Studies have shown that people classified as living in poverty in the U.S., have better lifestyles than the people designated as middle class in many other countries.

Here's the deal. If there isn't a heartbeat, it's a abortion. If there's a heartbeat, it's murder.

Reasonable, definable, consistent!

[Deleted User 12047]

Lots of interesting points...

This is the same thing as asking “Can we have a sane conversation about slavery, pedophilia, rape, and genocide?”

And you thought you were blocked! No, I'm afraid it's not as none of those things are legal today, while abortion is legal. imagine if slavery was legal today, there would be a lot of questions that would need to be answered as moves were made to outlaw it.

If the baby is viable, then it's a life and that life should be protected just as it would be at 1 month, 12 months or 10 years.

Is that viability defined? How?

Someone who has qualified for the death penalty has proven they are a threat to society and human life.

Sorry, but that is not correct. Someone who has been sentenced to death received that sentence because 12 other people were convinced of that person's guilt. Those 12 people are human, and humans make mistakes. And the commandment doesn't say "Thou Shall Not Kill... EXCEPT".

It's just not true that you need more than one income for a household.

BINGO! Studies have shown that people classified as living in poverty in the U.S., have better lifestyles than the people designated as middle class in many other countries.

What studies? Please document your claims. In Michigan, a family of four needs a salary of $64K before taxes. That’s according to updated data from MIT’s living wage calculator, which determines the minimum amount necessary to meet basic needs without dipping into poverty or relying on outside help. The model takes into account factors such as food, housing, child care and health insurance, in addition to other regular costs, and doesn’t include conveniences or luxuries such as restaurant meals, vacations or money left over for investments. That's a lot of money. https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/16/how-muc ... state.html

Radio Sucks: “Whatever shall we do?! Criminalizing murder would be a logistical nightmare! It’s not like ‘safe and legal’ murder was only allowed since 1973.”

This is a total misquote and mischaracterization. What I said was.. "Making something illegal doesn't stop it from happening." If you truly want to stop all abortions and save all unborn babies, declaring it murder and calling it a day won't accomplish that.

Radio Sucks and so do your arguments.

I'm not making any arguments, I'm asking questions.

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Heartbeat can define viability.

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...and with that, SG's argument has been dissected, crushed, cut up, pulverized and thrown away.